Why are so many avatars in SL human?

Meeting TOPIC:
16 July 2008 | 3rd life meeting

TOPIC:

• Why are so many avatars in SL human?
• We have the chance to be anything we want...yet we choose human avatars!
• What does that say about us?
• What avatars do you find compelling? Why?
• Which avatars put you off?

Chat Session:
[14:00] You: it is nice to have u all in the meeting today ladies and gentlemen
[14:00] Buffy Munro: taking me ages to rezz lately
[14:00] You: I am honored to do my best to host this meeting..

[14:01] You: she does a good job in preparing the stuff
[14:01] You: and our dj antony is not here today
[14:01] Sidda Leigh: hey tony!
[14:01] Buffy Munro: Hi Antony
[14:01] You: i guess he is not in sl today
[14:01] Sidda Leigh: lol ahmad
[14:01] You: because he is busy with some work
[14:01] You: with my friend sidda
[14:01] You: and i never lie
[14:01] You: lol
[14:01] Antony Chihuly: ma here lol
[14:01] You: oh hey Antony!
[14:01] You: u are back
[14:01] Antony Chihuly: lol
[14:01] You: have a seat then
[14:01] You: d u want to dj?
[14:01] You: im me if that is the case
[14:02] Antony Chihuly: i can if you like me too ahamd yeah
[14:02] You: now ..
[14:02] Buffy Munro: lmao
[14:02] You: what about we start the meeting?
[14:02] Josie Anderton: not on me
[14:02] Alex54 Zsigmond: damn good music
[14:02] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:02] Josie Anderton: lol
[14:02] Antony Chihuly: yeah just had a few rl things to sort and went a bit over

Q:Why are so many avatars in SL human if we have the chance to be anything we want?


[14:03] Buffy Munro: because we are conformists
[14:03] Buffy Munro: im not sat on anyone am i?
[14:03] Josie Anderton: I never thought about being anything different
[14:03] Momand Papp: We probably feel that we need no fit in with others.
[14:03] Alex54 Zsigmond: Because that is what is available at the stores???
[14:03] Sidda Leigh: ahahah
[14:03] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:03] Alex54 Zsigmond: I think i know why
[14:03] Josie Anderton: though I do go round with some ears and a tail on sometimes
[14:03] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:03] madison Tureaud: I think its the way SL is driven .....the whole concept of SL ...society etc
[14:03] Antony Chihuly: room for a little one
[14:03] Antony Chihuly: a bit neko josie ?
[14:04] Josie Anderton: ooh yeah
[14:04] madison Tureaud: ***LLOOLL***
[14:04] Alex54 Zsigmond: FOr ONe thing...sex balls are designed for human bodies
[14:04] Josie Anderton: I like Neko
[14:04] Antony Chihuly: i love neko am gettign into it
[14:04] (PKC) Flexi Black Panther Tail-{Cyber Tail}-: Liberty Juran stands back turned near Ahmad Hosho while swatting the tail against leg in attempt to get attention from Ahmad Hosho

[14:04] You: i want to say something, when we firstly logged in sl, we saw all of them avatars as human, but what if we saw it like animals, human, aliens, tinnies, etc, would our decision about being human the same?

[14:04] Josie Anderton: I have some friends who are furries
[14:04] Sidda Leigh: thank god
[14:04] Sidda Leigh: good question ahmad
[14:04] Momand Papp: I am indifferent.
[14:04] Josie Anderton: well aquantences more like
[14:04] madison Tureaud: Well when you are given a choice Ahmad ..then you can be selective !!!!
[14:04] Sidda Leigh: we were introduced as humans to sl
[14:04] Buffy Munro: ish
[14:05] Sidda Leigh: but u have such a choice
[14:05] Sidda Leigh: and most stay
[14:05] madison Tureaud: only a seceted few from the beginning ?
[14:05] Sidda Leigh: however i have lots of avatars but usually am human
[14:05] madison Tureaud: Now we have the choice ...as we explore
[14:05] Momand Papp: What about robots?
[14:05] Momand Papp: I have been a robot for a long time.
[14:05] Alex54 Zsigmond: right there...that keeps me human
[14:05] You: momand .. robots with feelings :)
[14:05] Josie Anderton: cool
[14:05] Liberty Juran: maybe they wanna be a bigger and better human
[14:05] Sidda Leigh: are u human more than another avatar?
[14:06] Momand Papp: Eh.
[14:06] Alex54 Zsigmond: I think also... that because (especially for women) we can have our fantasy bodies and wear wear fantasy clothes... like totally outrageously sexy things ... like Paris Hilton
[14:06] Momand Papp: I change for business.
[14:06] Buffy Munro: no i think i always wanted to be human
[14:06] Antony Chihuly: yeah i agree ahmad if it had been different from the beginning
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: why do u change for business
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: i have ahmad
[14:06] Antony Chihuly: i have a question what about people who have alts of different sex
[14:06] Momand Papp: Well.
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: hello Barney!
[14:06] You: but all of us are human today
[14:06] Momand Papp: A suit is much more professional.
[14:06] Barney Boomslang: so who was it who wanted to be a glowing orb? :)
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: but this is SL?
[14:06] You: hello barney.. hmmm.. i mean not all of us of course..
[14:06] You: lol
[14:07] Josie Anderton: you are right Sidda
[14:07] Josie Anderton: here you can be anything you want to be
[14:07] Sidda Leigh: :)
[14:07] Momand Papp: Still.
[14:07] Sidda Leigh: right
[14:07] Momand Papp: Opinions are just as easily influenced.
[14:07] Josie Anderton: so why don't we do that?
[14:07] You: did u try to social with another avatar than a human in all Your sl?
[14:07] You: yes i will personally social in this meeting with one of my tiny avatars right now
[14:07] Alex54 Zsigmond: i still say.. sex balls and clothes... that is why...end of story
[14:07] Sidda Leigh: im just asking momand
[14:07] Josie Anderton: ooooh I gotta go
[14:07] Josie Anderton: might come back shortly
[14:07] Josie Anderton: keep my seat warm
[14:07] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:08] Momand Papp: No.
[14:08] Barney Boomslang would like to point out that he _is_ what he wants to be. allmost allways :)
[14:08] Alex54 Zsigmond starts sweating... feeling hot on her left side
[14:08] Buffy Munro: when i first saw Ahmad when he changed his looks i was quite shocked! But why?! this is Sl
[14:08] You: what barney said about me too
[14:09] Momand Papp: As much as we dislike it, looks still play a large role in SL society.
[14:09] Buffy Munro: hahaha
[14:09] Antony Chihuly: yeah well its right sl is for fantasy where you can live it out so why not be what you want to be
[14:09] Sidda Leigh: u dont think u will be taken seriously if u are not human then?

[14:09] Momand Papp: First impressions can be everything.

[14:09] Barney Boomslang nods
[14:09] Alex54 Zsigmond: totallyI have a fat avi, which looks more like i do in RL
[14:09] Buffy Munro: i was worried what that thing over your eye was going to do lmao
[14:09] Antony Chihuly: i have always modelled this avi on myself now i am thinking why why didnt i model it on soemthing else lol
[14:09] Sidda Leigh: if we did not have human avatars....do u think people whould work to make their non human avatars sexy?
[14:09] Momand Papp: Know what all too odd?
[14:09] You: i would excepect to be taken as part of fun in sl, that doesn't take sl so serious
[14:09] Alex54 Zsigmond: and the response is QUITE different
[14:09] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:09] Alex54 Zsigmond: i am still the smae person
[14:09] Momand Papp: Well.
[14:09] madison Tureaud: I think people come to Sl for different reasons .....
[14:10] You: beside i always dreamd to be batman any way
[14:10] You: just my luck came with a little short batman
[14:10] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: tony r u going neko?
[14:10] Momand Papp: No one is fat on SL
[14:10] You: i didnt know i shocked u lol
[14:10] Alex54 Zsigmond: YES they are
[14:10] You: i have a fat friend
[14:10] Buffy Munro: aww u look cuter than ever! lol
[14:10] Antony Chihuly: nah i dont think so sidda but i have been looking at all the stuff they have it is quite cool
[14:10] Alex54 Zsigmond: i have been in club with fat strippers
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: but the point is that most people choose an ideal
[14:10] Alex54 Zsigmond: some guys/gals like fat bodies
[14:10] Momand Papp: Most are tan fit, models.
[14:10] Alex54 Zsigmond: just like in RL
[14:11] Alex54 Zsigmond: right like i said earlier
[14:11] madison Tureaud: I keep it real
[14:11] Momand Papp: I saw the first fat avatar the other day.
[14:11] Alex54 Zsigmond: it is about sex and clothes
[14:11] madison Tureaud: I think once again its the Driven Society
[14:11] madison Tureaud: yes
[14:11] Buffy Munro: i think it depends what u do in sl, I surf as a pro in sl so i have the body that fits a surfer lol
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: i dont think sl is totally about sex and clothes

Ahmad Hosho add a topic now, and it has something to do with what you are discussing now guys: ! What does that say about us?
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: not for all
[14:11] Momand Papp: Because thats what theve always wanted to be.
[14:11] Alex54 Zsigmond: i can wear mini skirts and hip boots and wear what i always wanted too here
[14:11] Alex54 Zsigmond: in RL
[14:11] Momand Papp: I use SL for a building tool.
[14:11] Momand Papp: Not as much as a social tool.
[14:11] madison Tureaud: Well for one thing .....your true colors come out in the end !!!
[14:11] Ahmad Hosho can wear pants and suits on this avatar as well.
[14:12] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:12] Barney Boomslang: I'm obviously not in for sex and clothes. glowing little suns don't have much need for sex and clothes ;)
[14:12] You: u can have whatever avatar, and make clothes for it
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: agreed madison
[14:12] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well i will guarantee that clothing probablly makes the most money in SL
[14:12] Sidda Leigh: or a blonde wig ahmad
[14:12] Momand Papp: I am reporting what I have seen.
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: they do that lol
[14:12] madison Tureaud: no matter how much you may change your avai
[14:12] Momand Papp: I have a lot of avatars.
[14:12] madison Tureaud: In the end ......you will see the True person
[14:12] Momand Papp: Of course.
[14:12] Sidda Leigh: so SL shows us that one aspect of humanity is vanity
[14:12] Buffy Munro: haha
[14:12] madison Tureaud: or at the beginning ...lol..
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: well more there mannerisms madison
[14:13] You: my true color comes in the end? omg, u mean they know my secret identity?
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: by our choice of using avatars as we do
[14:13] Momand Papp: A conversation lets more into the person then anything.
[14:13] Florecita Zabaleta is Online
[14:13] madison Tureaud: Absolutely ...
[14:13] Antony Chihuly: oh i dunno about that sidda am not a vain person just like looking in mirrors a lot
[14:13] Buffy Munro: but some people hide behind the avi so will u really see the true person?
[14:13] Antony Chihuly: yeah buffy lots do that
[14:13] madison Tureaud: well that depends ...
[14:13] You: ok let me ask each one of u a question, if u are not going to be a human in SL, what will be your plan B? and why?
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: well there are many plan Bs tho ahmad

[14:14] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well in RL, even though i am fat i can connect with ppl on many modalities.. here all you have is your looks and words..and if you are not good with words... you have alot of trouble doing well here in SL

[14:14] madison Tureaud: Plan B ?
[14:14] Momand Papp: A robot.
[14:14] Buffy Munro: I wouldnt want to be anything else
[14:14] madison Tureaud: Just be yourself !!!!
[14:14] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:14] madison Tureaud: ***LLOOLL***
[14:14] You: Buffy, u are cultured and reading a lot of fiction, come on.. i know u have something in ur mind
[14:14] Antony Chihuly: if i had a choice i would be a tornado or a comet
[14:14] madison Tureaud: unless you are into some sort of Roleplay or w/e
[14:15] Buffy Munro: no really i dont, i wouldnt change the Munro now
[14:15] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:15] Momand Papp: I have met so many munros on SL
[14:15] You: so a munro lady, or no SL?
[14:15] Buffy Munro: haha
[14:15] Antony Chihuly: tho i did find a cool skeleton skin the other day
[14:15] Buffy Munro: we breed
[14:15] Alex54 Zsigmond: I haven't changed my shape or look since i stared
[14:15] Buffy Munro: lmao
[14:15] madison Tureaud: OMG Pablo had one
[14:15] Alex54 Zsigmond: started*
[14:15] Momand Papp: Whats the deal with skinds?
[14:15] Antony Chihuly: me neither alex had this skin since i changed from noob skin
[14:15] Momand Papp: *skinds
[14:16] Alex54 Zsigmond: i think i upgraded my skin once
[14:16] Momand Papp: *skins
[14:16] Alex54 Zsigmond: when i saw RAC lol
[14:16] Buffy Munro: someone bought me this skin and i never changed it
[14:16] madison Tureaud: I have one avi .......one skin .....since Noobie
[14:16] Momand Papp: Another question:
[14:16] Momand Papp: Why not outsiders dislike SL so much?
[14:16] Momand Papp: *do
[14:17] madison Tureaud: misinformed ?
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: what do you mean?
[14:17] Momand Papp: Most think it is a waste of life/time.
[14:17] Momand Papp: "WHy not do it in RL" they say
[14:17] madison Tureaud: well people tend to not like things they know nothing about ?!?!?
[14:17] You: i heared a lot of outsiders say: " SL is a 3d chat room "
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: well i think playing videos games and watching TV is a waste of time
[14:17] Antony Chihuly: yeah well to begin with ahmad they are right
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: iit IS a 3D chat room
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:18] Antony Chihuly: but then it develops as you learn more
[14:18] Momand Papp: No.
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: it is yes but it has such great potential
[14:18] madison Tureaud: I think it can be used as a speaking forum ...not so much a 3d chat ..although it is virtual
[14:18] Momand Papp: I have days where I hardly say a word
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: its interesting how it is being used
[14:18] You: so the builders and artists are from the 3d part or from the room part?
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: it is more than a chat room for sure
[14:18] madison Tureaud: I agree
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: there are so many possibilities
[14:18] Momand Papp: No doubt.

[14:18] Buffy Munro: this will sound a bit controversial, but friends of mine who dont use SL dont get it, these are people that have no probs in there RL

[14:18] Buffy Munro: their*
[14:18] Antony Chihuly: we spoke of sl in my dgree course i am doing last week
[14:18] Momand Papp: of course.
[14:19] You: but i have no problem in my RL too lol
[14:19] Sidda Leigh: evenone here does not have prob in rl
[14:19] Sidda Leigh: lol
[14:19] Antony Chihuly: the tutor was horrified that people use it so much
[14:19] Momand Papp: Everyone has problems.
[14:19] Buffy Munro: well i do i guess and sl is a way for me to escape
[14:19] madison Tureaud: I have no issues in RL either ...
[14:19] Barney Boomslang: people are allways horrified about something or other
[14:19] Momand Papp: No one is perfect.
[14:19] Antony Chihuly: and all the rest of the class was like my god it must be full of people just after sex and stuff
[14:19] Antony Chihuly: i kept quiet lol
[14:19] Buffy Munro: lol
[14:19] Alex54 Zsigmond looks at Ahmad
[14:19] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol

[14:19] Barney Boomslang: I don't see why they should be horrified about SL usage and not for example excessive stamp collecting or other weird stuff

[14:19] madison Tureaud: But I am glad people can find comfort here :):)
[14:20] Momand Papp: It can be an escape.
[14:20] Antony Chihuly: i thnk its because its new and people dotn understand
[14:20] Momand Papp: From everyday troubles.
[14:20] Florecita Zabaleta is Online
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: good point barney
[14:20] Barney Boomslang: everything can be an "escape"
[14:20] Antony Chihuly: and people fear things they dont understand
[14:20] Momand Papp: People think it's nerdy.
[14:20] madison Tureaud: hahahah
[14:20] Barney Boomslang: but really: what kind of _scary_ escape is it when you meet up with people and chat with them?
[14:20] Antony Chihuly: so we are all geeks lol
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: but its fascinating to me how we fashion ourselves here as well as
[14:20] Barney Boomslang: in my book it's silly to allways do this "hooo, booo, SL is bad and you sh ouldn't do that so much" stuff
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: the many cultures that are here
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: together

[14:21] You: well, i have a small theory: people - not all but most of them - are using this life, as a successful copy of their real life, instead of exploring second life capabilities to integrate something creative, original, new out of all it's features.

[14:21] Antony Chihuly: one thing i have learned to type so much quicker since being on here
[14:21] Momand Papp: POLL: name your ethnicity and race
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: i agree ahmad
[14:21] Buffy Munro: hahaha
[14:21] Antony Chihuly: my assignments take no time at all when working on them lol
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: it is safe to use a human avatar
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: it is something u know
[14:21] Barney Boomslang: is it safe?
[14:21] madison Tureaud: hmmm ...
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: i dont mean from a security standpoint
[14:21] Momand Papp: I'm caucasion
[14:21] Barney Boomslang: I know that I was hit on by both girls and guys much more when I still was a human-like avatar :)
[14:22] Sidda Leigh: i mean emotionally
[14:22] Barney Boomslang: dammit, even my gargoyle gets offers far mor often than for example my iron stove or nightstands ...
[14:22] You: well when i converted to human, i found that i have to deal with some new aspects of my SL :D
[14:22] Antony Chihuly: dopeople not take you serious then ahmad when your not of hman form?
[14:22] You: btw, i lived nearly most of my sl as a tiny.. i just converted to human at late 2007
[14:22] You: tony .. no .. but they are less talktaive when u are a tiny.
[14:23] Antony Chihuly: do you get as many woman chasing you when a tiny
[14:23] Alex54 Zsigmond: well first you have to LOOK DOWN and see them....
[14:23] You: antony: if the woman is not a builder, artist, scripter, etc. she would never talk or chat
[14:24] You: and btw, when i was a tiger, i worked as a stripper dancer at a friend's club.
[14:24] Antony Chihuly: think am gonna be a tiny lol
[14:24] madison Tureaud: ***LLOOLL***
[14:24] You: and that made people interested to know me cause it was funny.
[14:24] Apollonia Bertolucci is Offline
[14:24] You: but .. they were asking where is ur human avatar?
[14:24] Alex54 Zsigmond: you were a stripper???
[14:24] madison Tureaud: I have the wofl avai ( white)
[14:24] Alex54 Zsigmond faints

[14:24] Barney Boomslang: I wish people would start to be something else than human more often. sure, not everything works with every avatar, but restricting to human is boring

[14:24] Antony Chihuly: i had a frog avi but that was for a halloween party once
[14:25] You: alex: yes a tiny tiger/lion stripper. 2 days, and the club manager has fired me lol
[14:25] Alex54 Zsigmond: suddenly ALex is horny for batamn
[14:25] Antony Chihuly: became a mare getting it off and puttign human one back on
[14:25] madison Tureaud: hahahaha
[14:25] Buffy Munro: i am not bored as a human avi
[14:25] madison Tureaud: I think people can be w/e they want
[14:25] Antony Chihuly: hey where did sidda go
[14:25] Alex54 Zsigmond: me either, i just like meeting people, no matter what shape
[14:25] Juicy Devin is Online
[14:25] madison Tureaud: if they are comfortable in an animal avi so be it
[14:25] You: a wolf has eaten sidda
[14:25] Sidda Leigh: actually............a fox
[14:25] Antony Chihuly: i feel like little red riding hood sat here now sidda
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: hehe
[14:26] Alex54 Zsigmond thinks something perverted

[14:26] You: ok, let me ask a question: is changing ur human avatar going to affect ur sl communcation level?
[14:26] madison Tureaud: I like the ROBOT ....
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: depends on who u are trying to talk TO ahmad
[14:26] madison Tureaud: nahhhhh
[14:26] Liberty Juran is Offline
[14:26] Alex54 Zsigmond: don't know, never done it
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: for me....i enjoy talking to all types
[14:26] Sidda Leigh: i think some people are put off
[14:26] madison Tureaud: b/c you have already established your friendships
[14:27] You: madison u are killing me, try to take my side one time from the start of the conversation ( lol jk jk )
[14:27] Momand Papp: Furries seem to be in their 20's almost always.
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: im speaking of meeting someone new
[14:27] Alex54 Zsigmond: but i KNOW i wouldn't make money as a stripper.. no one is gonna tip me to see my wiring and bolts
[14:27] madison Tureaud: lo
[14:27] Sahar Irata is Online
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: thank you so much momand
[14:27] Barney Boomslang: alex: try it :)
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: hehehehe
[14:27] Antony Chihuly: what is a furry then
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: YAY!
[14:27] Sidda Leigh: 20s!
[14:27] You: ok
[14:27] You: madison
[14:27] Liberty Juran is Online
[14:27] Barney Boomslang: ahmad: not mine. but well, I guess p eople are used to me being something weird every now and then
[14:27] madison Tureaud: Sometimes maybe people see animals as more approachable ?!??!?
[14:28] madison Tureaud: I have no idea ?!?!? I would talk to anyone
[14:28] You: madison: if i changed my avatar, will ur feelings change about communcating with me? will u feel the same degree of comfortability?
[14:28] madison Tureaud: hahahahah
[14:28] madison Tureaud: Pfft !!! I already know u !!!
[14:28] You: Barney: i agree
[14:28] You: ok lets have an experince madison
[14:28] You: muahahaha
[14:28] madison Tureaud: k
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: lol whats this barney
[14:29] Barney Boomslang: alex, anthony: come on, change :)
[14:29] Barney Boomslang: antony: it's an avatar.
[14:29] You: lets see if u can handle this!
[14:29] madison Tureaud: w/eeeeeeee
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: will it take me forever to change back lol
[14:29] You: :D
[14:29] Sidda Leigh: tg ahmad turned off his face light rofl
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: jesus lol
[14:29] madison Tureaud: hahahaha
[14:29] Barney Boomslang: antony: it's just a fun tiny - the minitaur!
[14:29] Momand Papp: OH YEAHHHHHH
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: kk
[14:29] Buffy Munro: haha
[14:30] madison Tureaud: Rl laughing
[14:30] You: ok madison i am ready to talk
[14:30] madison Tureaud: ok
[14:30] You: dont poke me btw
[14:30] You: i may get blind
[14:30] madison Tureaud: you know me better Ahmad ...the fearless one :P
[14:30] Lyna Princess is Offline
[14:30] You: she has something to do with fear now
[14:30] You: good one antony lol
[14:30] madison Tureaud: well b/c you are a giant RED EYEBALL
[14:31] Sidda Leigh: a bloody one
[14:31] Sidda Leigh: lol tony
[14:31] madison Tureaud: yea
[14:31] You: ok i will keep like that then the whole conversation
[14:31] You: hope u dont mind guys
[14:31] Sidda Leigh: next question ahmad?
[14:31] You: i know buffy minds
[14:31] madison Tureaud: ***LLOOLL***
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: tony lol
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: but really - it's interesting howw many people stick to "normal" - even if they go animalish, they often just go anthropomorphic
[14:32] Buffy Munro: what do i mind?
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: antony: you need to attach all parts of the folder
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: its ok im not looking at u
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: true barney
[14:32] Ahmad Hosho tells the next question: What avatars do you find compelling? Why?
[14:32] Sidda Leigh: actually i dont see that many that are on all fours
[14:32] You: i am already wearing one of best avatars i got in sl
[14:32] Barney Boomslang: I love the completely nuts ones most - like total abstract ones or inanimate object ones
[14:33] Alex54 Zsigmond is thinking her wood is geting charred by the Barney Sun
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: i enjoy seeing complex avatars made of art or scientific ones...and i like your ahmad
[14:33] You: also my african skin avatar
[14:33] Mara Chevalier is Online
[14:33] Antony Chihuly: there we go
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: yes i enjoy that one u have
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: it is different from anything i see here
[14:33] You: u like mine? the current one i am wearing?
[14:33] Barney Boomslang: I often look at things and think "well, that _looks_ a bit like with some additions it could feel like something alive" - and then make an avatar out of that
[14:33] Circe Broom is Offline
[14:33] Sidda Leigh: and its nice to see what people choose to fashion their avatars with
[14:33] madison Tureaud: Well thats a tough question .....b/c I dont like certain avais per say .. i dont go around looking for the "PERFECT AVAI "
[14:34] Sidda Leigh: speaks of their personailty or mood
[14:34] You: yes barney is a great avatar artist, and he creats a lot of styles: children book style, steampunk, old stuff, etc
[14:34] Barney Boomslang: antiny; yiz need to disable your AO, too, it clashes with the tiny ao
[14:34] Antony Chihuly: i have it off
[14:34] madison Tureaud: it never dawned on me to have a certain look ....or certain style
[14:34] You: as long as u are ok now madison
[14:34] You: but dont poke
[14:35] Zeta Pieck is Offline
[14:35] Ahmad Hosho tells the next question: Which avatars put you off?
[14:35] madison Tureaud: its like I told ahmad ..it depends on the perosn really ?!?!?!? Like you are a person who pays great attention to Detail Ahmad
[14:35] madison Tureaud: me pfft !!
[14:35] Barney Boomslang: antony: well, you8r hands and legs poke out still - at least on my screen - usually that's the sign that there is a clash of AOs. could be the shoes or some other attachment.
[14:35] Buffy Munro: eyeballs
[14:35] Momand Papp: I'm trans
[14:35] You: i do art too madison lol
[14:35] Antony Chihuly: kk
[14:35] madison Tureaud: Yes
[14:35] You: lol buffy
[14:35] Buffy Munro: haha
[14:35] madison Tureaud: and it reflects the person u are :)
[14:36] Sidda Leigh: well
[14:36] Sidda Leigh: not all my avatars reflect the person i am rofl
[14:36] Buffy Munro: well i couldnt dance with u like that, well i could but it would be weird
[14:36] Ahmad Hosho sets on madison's lab
[14:36] Momand Papp: I love how you can be a girl
[14:36] madison Tureaud: well my wolf is a animal forum .......but my mind is human !!!!! haahahahhaha
[14:36] Sidda Leigh: nice music i say again
[14:37] Ahmad Hosho tells another question: may be SL lag and the slow of rezzing avatars, doesn't help much in exploring different avatars.
[14:37] Momand Papp: umm
[14:37] You: i mean if i decided to live my sl as a wolf at morning, and a giant at afternoon, and an eyeball at evening.. and w/e at whenever.. so i have to change a lot.
[14:37] Barney Boomslang: yes, it is a bit of a problem - of course non-human or non-humanoid avatars are limited by the SL bugs and problems - and the very limited avatar model
[14:38] madison Tureaud: True ...
[14:38] Barney Boomslang: and the switching of avatars - it's not told people how to do efficiently
[14:38] Momand Papp: Alex
[14:38] You: So SL has a share in this cultre then.
[14:38] Alex54 Zsigmond: well ... like if i wanted to kis Ahmad... i wouldn't know where to put my lips right now
[14:38] Antony Chihuly: oh i cant work it out sod it lol
[14:38] Momand Papp: Could I have that AV?
[14:38] Barney Boomslang: for example many people don't know that they can sort stuff in folders and use replace-outfit to switch quickly between different avatars
[14:38] You: lips disabled currently
[14:39] Buffy Munro: haha
[14:39] Barney Boomslang: alex: you don't have lips right now :P
[14:39] madison Tureaud: I didnt know that ?!?!?
[14:39] Alex54 Zsigmond: LOL i didn't make this Momand... soryy
[14:39] Alex54 Zsigmond: i have never tried to make an avatar
[14:39] Barney Boomslang: it's easy. you make prims and attach them.
[14:39] You: it is an abstract avatar alex, u are supposed to be that lady who has an art certificate :P
[14:39] You: u know it has lips
[14:40] Alex54 Zsigmond: i just never have bothers
[14:40] Antony Chihuly: omg sidda its the fuerer
[14:40] Alex54 Zsigmond: bothered*
[14:40] You: any way even picasso wouldn't think of making 2 abstract avatars kisses
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: no
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: this is WWI
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: lol
[14:40] Sidda Leigh: i would never wear nazi garb lol
[14:40] Antony Chihuly: well they where the master race apparently lol
[14:40] Ahmad Hosho tells another point: who at first place made all sl full of human so when we enter we find human.
[14:41] Alex54 Zsigmond: yes.. that is why they are ruling the planet...
[14:41] Barney Boomslang: stupid lindenlab. they provided only crap non-human avatars
[14:41] Barney Boomslang: and even now with the updated default avatars, they only took 2 from the 4 different avatars we provided them. silly folks.
[14:41] Maxine Klinger is Offline
[14:41] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well Barney, why not donate some really good ones to the cause?
[14:41] Robin Mapp is Offline
[14:41] Barney Boomslang: we did
[14:41] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:41] Barney Boomslang: as I said, we provided 4 non-human avatars to lindenlab
[14:42] Antony Chihuly: hey ahmad wheres mollie
[14:42] You: i have a theory that a good share of sl cultre, is sat by lindenlabs, and i have to surprise u some how too that even casinos or making money by games that uses random numbers is a cultre lindens made firtsly before any one, even if they dont care to admit.
[14:42] Barney Boomslang: they took them, but only put two of them - and those only in single variant - in the library and default selection
[14:42] Lexi Seville is Online
[14:42] 2C Runo is Online
[14:43] Gracie Price is Online
[14:43] You: if u were here when the problem of casinos etc was topic number 1 in daily sl discussions
[14:43] Circe Broom is Online
[14:43] Robin Mapp is Online
[14:43] Victoria Glimmer is Offline
[14:43] Alex54 Zsigmond: well isn't Linden Labs just SL government...no different from RL in that instance..they let you BELIEVE you have freedom... but you never really do
[14:43] Alex54 Zsigmond: what were the problem with casinos???
[14:44] You: it is silly how people just run after the power of governing media.
[14:44] Victoria Glimmer is Online
[14:44] Sidda Leigh: ty momand
[14:44] Momand Papp: np
[14:44] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol i made alot more money tipping, and then bought more things... it fed the economy
[14:44] You: alex, they cancelled all games that uses random numbers at some day 2007
[14:44] Alex54 Zsigmond: well, it was because of USA law...
[14:44] You: or what is called in RL: Gambling.
[14:44] Muzeek Okey is Offline
[14:45] You: while lindes were the first people to make a gambling machine in sl.
[14:45] Barney Boomslang: they h ad to - or would have been in big trouble with the US gambling laws
[14:45] Alex54 Zsigmond: you can't gamebelin most states in the US... now if the servers were off US territory
[14:45] Barney Boomslang: well, they made a lot of firsts when they were mor or less the only people in here
[14:45] Alex54 Zsigmond: JINX lol Barney
[14:45] Barney Boomslang: but they have stopped making stuff themselves
[14:45] You: isn't that a prove of the poor planing, barney?
[14:45] Barney Boomslang: nowadays they commission stuff to residents - and most often to their pets
[14:46] Alex54 Zsigmond: anyway we are talking about how do i make out with Barney when he has no lips or penis
[14:46] You: lol @ their pets.
[14:46] madison Tureaud: ***LLOOLL***
[14:46] Sidda Leigh: lol
[14:46] Muzeek Okey is Online
[14:46] You: he is " HOT " .. isn't he?
[14:46] Antony Chihuly: with great difficulty lol
[14:46] Barney Boomslang: but yeah, they are rooted deeply in the RL-fakery - look at the new area they made with all those RL-copyisms. bleh
[14:46] AnaLee Springvale is Online
[14:46] Momand Papp: you got no mouth >.>
[14:46] Bluelion Jewell is Offline
[14:46] Alex54 Zsigmond: I have a WOODIE though
[14:46] Momand Papp: lol
[14:47] SuzeLaRousse Milo is Offline
[14:47] Antony Chihuly: whats a woodie
[14:47] Barney Boomslang: sorry alex, I stopped completing my avatars with missing "bits" somewhere mid 2006 :P
[14:47] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well...then one solution Barney
[14:47] You: well finally i would say: what are ur suggestions guys for the next meeting topic?
[14:47] madison Tureaud: Shit Rl is calling me !!!!!! Ciao peeps !!!!!
[14:47] Barney Boomslang: bye madison
[14:47] You: ciao madison!
[14:47] Buffy Munro: byeee
[14:47] Alex54 Zsigmond: bye Madison!
[14:47] Antony Chihuly: bye
[14:48] Momand Papp: bye
[14:48] madison Tureaud: HAVE FUN !!!!!
[14:48] madison Tureaud is Offline
[14:48] Antony Chihuly: i have one ahmad
[14:48] You: Please tell!
[14:48] Antony Chihuly: role playing in sl
[14:48] SuzeLaRousse Milo is Online
[14:48] Harrie Skjellerup is Online
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: don't do it...
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: lo
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: have no insight
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: but
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: maybe interesting
[14:48] Antony Chihuly: how mant people do it and who gets a kick out of it
[14:48] You: what is the topic about role playing?
[14:49] Alex54 Zsigmond: why do you do it?
[14:49] Antony Chihuly: well do people role play in sl
[14:49] You: ic
[14:49] Momand Papp: What about the economy and SL
[14:49] Barney Boomslang: meh. economy is boring ;)
[14:49] You: may u tell more about it momand?
[14:49] Alex54 Zsigmond: what about SL not supporting MAC... the graphic design community
[14:49] Antony Chihuly: yeah there is a recession coming deal with it guys lmao
[14:49] Alex54 Zsigmond: bastards
[14:49] Momand Papp: Like how companies trying to put a foot in SL are failing
[14:49] Buffy Munro: hahaha
[14:50] Barney Boomslang seconds alex
[14:50] Alex54 Zsigmond: thank you Barney
[14:50] You: good idea too momand
[14:50] You: i hope u were not working in a company of them
[14:50] Alex54 Zsigmond: these guys don't care Barney they are on PC! lol
[14:50] You decline .D.o.D. Designs of Darkeness 7/15 fashcon from A group member named Deni Morigi.
[14:50] Antony Chihuly: ok guys got to shoot off
[14:50] Antony Chihuly: thx for the avi barney
[14:50] Alex54 Zsigmond: by Antony
[14:50] You: shoot off? talk english plz
[14:50] Barney Boomslang: alex: the scary part is: many of them use macs ...
[14:50] Antony Chihuly: am gonna go sacre the shit out of my gf now lol
[14:50] Buffy Munro: byeeee
[14:50] You: lol ok tony
[14:50] Antony Chihuly: scare
[14:50] Glopp Ogee is Offline
[14:50] Gabrisk Frangible is Offline
[14:50] Alex54 Zsigmond: I know Barney.. why else does SL have such beauty??
[14:50] Barney Boomslang: bye antony :)
[14:50] You: good one.
[14:51] Antony Chihuly: laters
[14:51] Alex54 Zsigmond: DAMN MAC ARTISTS!!!

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Hi!

Third Life is honored to invite you to its June 24 meeting at 2SL under the topic:

STALKERS!
Understanding their psychology, and if there is a way to stop them?

YOUR SAFETY AND SECURITY IN SL!

Has anyone ever stalked You in SL? One of your friends?

Did he or she spy on You in secondlife?

Did he or she really trace your ip address and continue stalking in RL?

Did his or her threats create a virus of mind makes u scared and worried all the day?

What are secondlife stalkers, and why do they do this?

How can they be stopped?

Do you worry about your account being hacked by SL Mafia or Stalkers? Have you had an experince of when you were frightened for your account security? What about RL security?

What experiences have you had with SL griefers? How can they be dealt with effectively?

Many of us may feel more secure in SL than we really are. What actions have you taken to secure your account? Your privacy in RL?

Share from your basic knowledge and join us to speak with experts on SL Security...your comments will be appreciated.


TIME:

Tuesday, June 24, 2008: 2SLT

Show and Tell 28th April 2008

Today I have attended Show and Tell at Lummerland, and I thought it would be a nice idea if I show what happened there! :)

Builders who show their works today:
























Follow the pictures from right to left to know who made what:

Mango Splash:
Today in fourth place today with a prize of 700 lindens!
Mango has built a library, full of books which You can browse by touching, also You can change the books pages with Your own textures. A good idea to store textures in a functional furniature.

Jesica Slade:
Jesica made a nice umbrella, which You can open and close just like a real life Umbrella, and You can change it's colors to different colors too.






Frofidor and his Sci-Fi style in building.









Frofidor Niekerk :
Today in third place today with a prize of 1000 lindens!
He made a big detailed building ( about 909 prims ) which looks very high tech, You can also drive it as a vehicle.

Laura Lyne:
made a group teleporter.







Robin Sojourner Shows a very clever sculptured build.









Robin Sojourner:
Today in first place today with a prize of 2000 lindens!
A full sculptie tea sets. Made by lightwave.

Mandy Medusa :
Today in secon place today... with a prize of 1500 lindens!
She made a full radar system, which can rezz a sculptie map for Your sim, land, and show You where avatars are, and it can do a lot of functions like to teleport to any one You see, or teleport him/her. At least this what I liked the most from all functions she has described.

Marianne McCann:
Some nice entertaining balls reacting with You by touch.

Beware Hax:
This lady made a very nice idea for clothes, she had today a prim tie and some other parts of her top part, which You can hide and show, coordinating in that with the textured clothes. Very practical solution in case You want to change Your clothes in a lagy place!

Ahmad Hosho ( ME ):
I have show my eyes ;)

Second Life Drama

If Second Life is a game or a virtual world in all cases when you have signed in, you were expecting to have fun!

But some of us, may be big percent, have been surprised by times that they experienced drama that can not only affect few days of their lives, but in many cases it affects their whole life, too.

You are welcome to comment here, and tell us Your opinion.

• What made SL change from a place you were supposed to play and have fun in, into a drama?
• If it didn't get you, did it get someone in your friends list?
• What did you do to help? Or, did you just avoid it?
• Is second life drama considered in any science what the pyschology and philosphy may tell us?
• Share from your basic knowledge, or if any expert would like to meet and speak about that...your comments would be appreciated.
• What is SL drama?
• How has drama in Second Life affected you? Has it ever affected your real life?

We will also host a discussion at Bibi's Cafe on 22nd April 2008, from 2 to 3 PM SLT, if You like to join. Or You can still comment here and we will pass Your comment in the meeting! Click on the illustration to get the SLURL.

This is the history of the meeting we had on Drama in sl on April 22nd. :)

[14:05] Mara Chevalier: is sl drama more severe than rl drama when relationships are involved? like romantic drama?
[14:05] Saysha Riggles: hi Nea
[14:05] You: no
[14:05] Antony Chihuly: has it come through
[14:05] You: i shouldnt think so
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: more so?
[14:06] Sidda Leigh: i wouldnt think so
[14:06] Ahmad Hosho: /I hear You tony?
[14:06] Ahmad Hosho: /hi Alex!
[14:07] Alex54 Zsigmond: HEya!
[14:07] Mara Chevalier: ok
[14:07] Mara Chevalier: erm
[14:07] Mara Chevalier: ok
[14:07] Ahmad Hosho: /thank You Tony ;)
[14:07] Ahmad Hosho: /Ok we start the meeting now
[14:07] Sidda Leigh: hello ALex
[14:07] Mara Chevalier: i do think ppl are more lovesick here tnan in rl
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho runs the topic If Secondlife is a game or a virtual world in all cases when you have signed in, you were excepecting to have fun!
[14:08] You: woot
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho : But some of us, may be big percent, have been surprised by times that they experienced drama that can not only affect few days of their lives, but in many cases it affects their whole life, too.
[14:08] Mara Chevalier: true
[14:08] Ahmad Hosho Q: What made SL change from a place you were supposed to play and have fun in, into a drama?
[14:08] Mara Chevalier: sometimes i believe that the rl issues ppl deal with are the issues they get here too
[14:08] Mara Chevalier: read the above
[14:08] Mara Chevalier: lol
[14:08] Saysha Riggles: right on point
[14:09] Mara Chevalier: it could be a sort of therapy when u monitor what ur dealing with here, it might be a topic ur dealing with in rl
[14:09] Saysha Riggles: ppl seem to want to form relationships here!
[14:09] Mara Chevalier: yes
[14:09] Mara Chevalier: everybody wants to belong
[14:09] You: people just generat edrama wherever they gaher
[14:09] Mara Chevalier: even when they belong in rl, ppl want to belong here too
[14:10] You: gather*
[14:10] Saysha Riggles: then it becomes controlling
[14:10] Antony Chihuly: yeah but surely its an individuals perogative if they want to form relatioships no
[14:10] Ahmad Hosho: Mara: there is a therapist who will be here today as i know.
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: erm
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: u mean me?
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: <--rl psychologist
[14:10] Ahmad Hosho: Mara: another one too
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: HoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOo!
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: hehe
[14:10] You decline !! * * DUTCH SENSATION * * !!, HollandCoast (96, 212, 23) from A group member named DutchMountains Babii.
[14:10] Sidda Leigh: some people come to sl thinking they are going to form relationships....expecting to yes....i did not......but i find that i do have feelings for people i meet......most are great friendships and others at times have been more...not so romatic but loving
[14:10] Alex54 Zsigmond: You could make a fortune here.
[14:10] You: yea sidda
[14:10] Mara Chevalier: lol im here for fun *wink*
[14:11] Saysha Riggles: yes sidda
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: if u put people together bonds will form
[14:11] Ahmad Hosho: Mara: How come sl is making drama more than RL, if i understood what u said correctly?
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: and i think if one comes here looking for *love* that is not a good thing
[14:11] Antony Chihuly: i agree sidda
[14:11] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well in my experience, ppl are COMING to SL as a dating service, they are looking for RL mates...
[14:11] Saysha Riggles: yeah it trips me out
[14:11] Sidda Leigh: yes i think so too alex some are
[14:11] Ahmad Hosho: /any luck yet alex :)
[14:11] Mara Chevalier: well i think to a certain extend ppl feel annonymous here so the tend to experiment
[14:11] You: /lol
[14:11] Antony Chihuly: could be alex but not all are like that and isnt rl like that
[14:11] Mara Chevalier: they can explore their dark sides
[14:12] Sidda Leigh: but all drama here does not stem from romance
[14:12] You: what? i have no dark sides
[14:12] You: lol
[14:12] Mara Chevalier: they can be selfish without the rl consequences
[14:12] Sidda Leigh: you dont lab?
[14:12] Mara Chevalier: lolol too bad Lab ;-p
[14:12] You: lol
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: i know of someone on here who has heightened her experiences with her rl husband since being insl
[14:12] Saysha Riggles: I met an avi who had to change her account because she was being stalked
[14:12] Mara Chevalier: yes
[14:12] You: really?
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: that happens a lot saysha
[14:12] Alex54 Zsigmond: right, and they are pushing themselves into places they would never go in RL... my fear is they will take it to RL
[14:12] Ahmad Hosho: Saysha: yes some of them has this problem
[14:12] Antony Chihuly: hey breez
[14:12] Mara Chevalier: i also think that sl grands great opportunities to really really hurt somebody too
[14:12] Saysha Riggles: yes she is someone else now
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: yes and some have damaged their RL relationships with it but......its not all romantic drama that is dealt with here
[14:13] Breez Charron: Hey Antony
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: hello Breez :)
[14:13] Mara Chevalier: agreed miss Leigh
[14:13] Mara Chevalier: hi Breez
[14:13] Saysha Riggles: hi breeze
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: ty Miss CHevalier
[14:13] Antony Chihuly: have a seat breez
[14:13] Sidda Leigh: Hello Mistee :)
[14:13] Breez Charron: HIII!!!! Sidda..Mara :)))
[14:13] Mistee Jaxxon: Hi there!
[14:13] Mistee Jaxxon: yay!
[14:13] Mara Chevalier: hey Mistee
[14:13] Ahmad Hosho: Mara: it granted opprtunities to really really make families too .. the lady who was rp sl sister in sl has married her sl husband, same for the one who is acting sl bro, is now with his sl gf
[14:13] Mistee Jaxxon: dang, still dont work!
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: hahaha
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: u lost me
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: but yes
[14:14] You: huh?
[14:14] You: lol
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: good things happen here but the topic was drama right?
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: hehe
[14:14] Nea Fredriksson: i've got the impression that at least romantic drama comes along much much faster than in rl.. that's curious too
[14:14] Antony Chihuly: i think we all know that sl emulates rl but moves alot quicker yeah
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: yes
[14:14] Mara Chevalier: exactly
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: yes that is curious Nea
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: things happen so quickly ehre
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: here
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: emotions run high
[14:14] Sidda Leigh: why is that
[14:14] Ahmad Hosho: and when i was new user, my mentor bibi told me about people who married in sl and rl too, would be before 2006 then
[14:14] You: because its only ur minds here?
[14:15] Saysha Riggles: much of the drama that i experience is from SL relationships
[14:15] Bibi Book: I think one important things is that people mix desire, feelings and phantasy
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: yes that is the most i have seen too saysah
[14:15] Antony Chihuly: i think peopel can be mor ehonest in sl than sometimes in rl sidda
[14:15] You: so emotions play bigger part maybe?
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: and yes i agree Bibi...its a fantasy of a person
[14:15] Sidda Leigh: ty Mistee :)
[14:15] Mara Chevalier: cause its all u can bring into SL, emotions and ur personality
[14:15] Mara Chevalier: pressure cooker really
[14:15] You: yea
[14:15] Saysha Riggles: SL but we are real with human emotions
[14:15] Ahmad Hosho: Mara: but this was happening too when u firstly joined SL?
[14:16] Mara Chevalier: yes and online we're not distracted by rl stuff like eating and such
[14:16] Mara Chevalier: what Ahmad?
[14:16] Ahmad Hosho: remember a compare between what u excepected from SL when u firstly joined, and what happened by time.. is vital here
[14:16] You: i am
[14:16] Sidda Leigh: rofl lab
[14:16] You: i always eat
[14:16] You: haha
[14:16] Bibi Book: more honest? hmmm.. they even can lie more as you cannot see their face
[14:16] Mara Chevalier: haha i had one dinner date here online, it was DRAMATIC
[14:16] Mara Chevalier: lol
[14:16] Antony Chihuly: i dunno though ahmad i didnt have expectations when i joined ididnt know anythign wha tit was about
[14:16] Ahmad Hosho: i think big part of the SL drama is caused because u didnt excepect secondlife to do it ( build drama ) at first place
[14:16] Mara Chevalier: (no lobster on the menu)
[14:17] You: sl food....
[14:17] florenze Kerensky: hello :)
[14:17] Bibi Book: Hi Flo!
[14:17] You: i can eat in both lifes?
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: Hello!
[14:17] Sidda Leigh: i tend to be honest however because they CANNOT see my face and i try to make sure my feelings and beliefs are clearly stated to allow the other person to understand me
[14:17] Saysha Riggles: I was clueless as for the drama created in here
[14:17] Breez Charron: HIII!!!! Florenze
[14:17] Mara Chevalier: yes me too
[14:17] You: hey alex. :)
[14:17] Antony Chihuly: its always hard to tell peoples mannerisms on here too
[14:17] Sidda Leigh: i think i am more open and honest here
[14:17] Mara Chevalier: the sl experience comes in phases i think
[14:17] Nea Fredriksson: i didn't know what to expect, but least of all people having relationship problems
[14:17] Ahmad Hosho: antony that is u, what about others
[14:17] Alex54 Zsigmond: Hey Lab
[14:18] Ahmad Hosho: some people came here thinking it is a place to have fun. this is what i mean
[14:18] Sidda Leigh: yes that is lost no verbal cues or feeback or body language
[14:18] Antony Chihuly: yeah true ahmad
[14:18] Mara Chevalier: and the drama is jsut one phase i reckon
[14:18] Alex54 Zsigmond: well i think this subject is way too intense and complicated to talk about in this form
[14:18] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:18] Mara Chevalier: agreed Alex
[14:18] Antony Chihuly: we make our own dramas half the time
[14:18] You: well i think humans just tend to make drama. like naturally
[14:18] Ahmad Hosho: disagree with alex, cause if it started from sl, then we should try to talk about it in sl :)
[14:19] Sidda Leigh: you place people from all over the world in an enviroment in which they can be creative.....or not.....and there is bound to be drama
[14:19] Mara Chevalier: it is complicated tho Ahmad
[14:19] Ahmad Hosho: with my respection for ur opinion, Alex :)
[14:19] Alex54 Zsigmond: ANd you have to remember ppl, that you are being thrown into an unnatural mix of EMOTIONAL ages
[14:19] Saysha Riggles: I have learned about the mute and delete buttons...lol
[14:19] Ahmad Hosho: good point here alex
[14:19] Antony Chihuly: do you reckon on the lindens thinking it wuold cause this much drama when they frist built it
[14:19] You: hmmm
[14:19] Antony Chihuly: right enough alex
[14:20] Alex54 Zsigmond: no BECAUSE they didn't use psychologists as part of the system
[14:20] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol
[14:20] Breez Charron: lol
[14:20] Ahmad Hosho: lol
[14:20] Sidda Leigh: another think i think its a pretty interesting experiment however.....all literature ive read deals with the themes of man's inhumanity to man AND love.....and u have both here....of course......put humans together and there u go
[14:20] Saysha Riggles: they seem to me to be computer nerds
[14:20] florenze Kerensky: sometimes i think we are all guinea pigs for some major psychology experiment
[14:20] You: lol flo probably
[14:21] Mara Chevalier: cool
[14:21] Ahmad Hosho: my reason for why there is a drama: this when 2 a man and woman started to rp as partners, by time when they share a virtual life, i mean they start to have memories and all.. so feelings are involved any way ( see i speak about time factor here) :)
[14:21] Saysha Riggles: wow
[14:21] Mara Chevalier: i wish i can look into the report afterwards
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: i hope i get a wheel
[14:21] You: ill get them for u mara.
[14:21] Mara Chevalier: and a balloon for joining afterwards
[14:21] Alex54 Zsigmond: This is an anthropolgical and socioligical and psychological test tube...IT IS A DREAM for study!
[14:21] Mara Chevalier: defo!
[14:21] Mistee Jaxxon: i agree
[14:21] Antony Chihuly: but time goes quickerin here too ahmad
[14:21] You: yes
[14:21] Sidda Leigh: hello Natascha
[14:22] Bibi Book: I think a lot is projection
[14:22] Natascha May: hi, sidda
[14:22] Natascha May: hi, bibi
[14:22] Sidda Leigh: :)
[14:22] Ahmad Hosho: /some one asked a question, why things happen here too fast. i guess because most of our physical moves are happening now by a click of button.
[14:22] Bibi Book: Hi Natascha
[14:22] florenze Kerensky agrees with bibi
[14:22] Saysha Riggles: logging on I do get asked to answer questions about my experience's in SL
[14:22] Sidda Leigh: good point ahmad
[14:22] You: i have once
[14:23] Ahmad Hosho: this lead me think in an old saying: when u build ur relation fast, it may ends as fast.
[14:23] You: yea ahmad
[14:23] Antony Chihuly: i dunno about that ahmad
[14:23] Nea Fredriksson: looks like it's true in sl too
[14:23] Alex54 Zsigmond: and Ahmad, you don't have to fumble with bra hooks
[14:23] Ahmad Hosho: but at first place, when most people makes a SL relation " like a marriage or bf and gf " is it meant to be in real life too, or just online? fictional or realstic
[14:23] florenze Kerensky: lol alex
[14:24] You: lol alex
[14:24] Saysha Riggles: platonic is best for my relationships...less drama!
[14:24] Mistee Jaxxon: good ques Ahmad
[14:24] Nea Fredriksson: lol alex no, but the texture can take a while to disappear ;)
[14:24] Ahmad Hosho: Alex: thank u, i can see my avatar already ;)
[14:24] Sidda Leigh: brb
[14:24] Antony Chihuly: then we wouldnt have this discussion saysha lol
[14:24] Ahmad Hosho: ryr
[14:24] Ahmad Hosho: tyt*
[14:24] Mistee Jaxxon: why pursue an SL relationship?
[14:24] Ahmad Hosho: thank u Mistee
[14:24] Bibi Book: drama and virtiual sex are two pairs of shoes
[14:24] Alex54 Zsigmond: But Saysha.... what about those ppl who like in RL NEED Drama to feel LOVED??? I meet those ppl all the time
[14:24] Saysha Riggles: i did not say none...just less drama
[14:24] Mistee Jaxxon: true Alex
[14:25] Saysha Riggles: right
[14:25] Antony Chihuly: peopel like to moan
[14:25] Alex54 Zsigmond: they have a BAD STRATEGY when it comes to relationships, and that doesn't change here!
[14:25] Antony Chihuly: and with drama come moaning
[14:25] Ahmad Hosho: and if it is fictional relation, should it has sl sex? or it can just come like james bond movies.. no sex scences mostly.. just some poses. am i right tony as u have all bonds movies?
[14:25] Saysha Riggles: lol
[14:26] Antony Chihuly: thats for your imagination though init ahmad
[14:26] Alex54 Zsigmond: Well they don't know any better, they are truly doing the best they can, it just happens to be not very workable on many levels
[14:26] florenze Kerensky: but is all drama in SL related to love/sex? how bout business?
[14:26] Ahmad Hosho: yes here comes my drama flo
[14:26] florenze Kerensky: wb breez
[14:26] Breez Charron: lol sorry
[14:26] You: hey breez
[14:27] Saysha Riggles: yep i have seen drama because some avi did'nt get his million Lindens
[14:27] Bibi Book: sl drama is a lot about egoism, lies, misunderstandngs...
[14:27] Ahmad Hosho: but mainly the fetal problems happen in love/sex. i have saw experinces here of husband lost his wife in secondlife. and another experince of a lady lost her husband in secondlife.
[14:27] Antony Chihuly: million lindens wow whats that worth then about 100quid lol
[14:27] Mistee Jaxxon: lost how?
[14:27] Alex54 Zsigmond: Ahamd, you know what i love here??? Is that your lover has to TRULY think about you and respond on a more intelectual level, because it ISN"T flesh... so i have finally gotten more than i ever did in RL... because your lover has to THINK, be thoughtful!
[14:27] Mistee Jaxxon: wow
[14:27] Antony Chihuly: good point alex
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: Mistee: the partner find his wife or husband ( depends on context ) with another avatar, and by time.. it goes to reallife.
[14:28] Alex54 Zsigmond: I respond to words... hell i can buy a plastic dick and get as much from it sometimes...
[14:28] Bibi Book: Ahmad: but if people loose their RL parner her in SL, they have had problems already
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: Alex: smart
[14:28] Antony Chihuly: so your saying we are all intellectuals now lol noone ever called e that befrore lol
[14:28] Mistee Jaxxon: SL cheating??? u dont say1
[14:28] You: lol
[14:28] Ahmad Hosho: Bibi: this is possible. but not sure if this is the only analysis.
[14:28] Saysha Riggles: it's the lack of TRUST!
[14:29] Alex54 Zsigmond: No BUT FOR ONCE ~ men have to think about how to seduce
[14:29] Breez Charron: HIII!!!! T
[14:29] Alex54 Zsigmond: not just man handle a woman
[14:29] Ahmad Hosho: Mistee: sometimes a husband allow his wife to have a SL bf .. and by time he find her leaving him in RL too.
[14:29] Tina Jowisz: HIII!!!!
[14:29] Ahmad Hosho: it means he didnt excepect for a place to have fun to turn against his life
[14:29] Alex54 Zsigmond: Hello1
[14:29] Ahmad Hosho: Hi tina
[14:29] florenze Kerensky: hi ariel
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: i saw a program on tv about sl last month
[14:29] florenze Kerensky: hello tina
[14:29] You: i heard of that
[14:29] Natascha May: sorry bibi, was curious, but don't think my english is fast enough to participate in a disscusion
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: a guy in uk and a married girl in usa
[14:29] Ahmad Hosho: np natascha
[14:29] Mistee Jaxxon: ohh..yes i found a whole list of partners complaining about how they lost their relationships to SL!
[14:29] Antony Chihuly: when they met it was a disaster
[14:30] Saysha Riggles: omg
[14:30] Alex54 Zsigmond: well but aren't RL dating services like that too???
[14:30] Antony Chihuly: but the program made all users look right idiots
[14:30] Alex54 Zsigmond: part of the pitfalls
[14:30] Bibi Book: Natascha: ther will be a log and I do not get all, too as I cannot read as fast as they write
[14:30] Ahmad Hosho gives notes: This chat will be published in the blog .. for ur reveiw in future. we already opened the comment under the thread
[14:30] florenze Kerensky: i feel the majority of rl relationships that fail due to sl were shaky to start.
[14:30] Mistee Jaxxon: http://elliptic.typepad.com/elliptic_blog/2004/01/second_life_add.html
[14:30] Alex54 Zsigmond: well it is an ODD place to dwell in, we do LIVE here at least part time
[14:30] Antony Chihuly: yeah agreed florenze
[14:30] Mistee Jaxxon: yes Alex..i agree, we do LIVE here
[14:31] Mistee Jaxxon: cuz this is where we LIVE out our fantasies!
[14:31] Antony Chihuly: i think for most of us sl is part of our lives in a big way alex
[14:31] Saysha Riggles: real pain is felt here from drama
[14:31] Antony Chihuly: i meanhow many here log on every day at least once
[14:31] Ahmad Hosho gives information: As Mollie Serveri didnt have a chance to attend this meeting, so she left this comment in the blog: I'm commenting now since I know that I can't make the meeting. "What made SL change from a place you were supposed to play and have fun in, into a drama?" I think that my problem is that I tend to take things in SL too seriously and personally. I forget that people will have a different motivation than I do for exploring SL. I'm in SL primarily to meet people who have different life experiences than I do, whether by virtue of living in a different country or whatever. SL gives people a virtually anonymous way to interact with other people, so it's much easier to have conversations about personal ideals and experiences without being judged by external forces such as appearance, socioeconomic status, etc. Well of course with those kinds of conversations comes a certain level of intimacy... and my problem is that I expect that same level of conversation to continue..
[14:31] Antony Chihuly: i bet all yah
[14:31] Mistee Jaxxon: at least 3 times!! lol
[14:31] You: lol
[14:32] Alex54 Zsigmond: and although thereis drama here...it is there in RL too, and this may be a great place for ppl to develope and EMotional IQ...we need more Mara's here! lol
[14:32] Ahmad Hosho: oh what is ur opinion mara
[14:32] Antony Chihuly: it certainly helps with your typing skills
[14:33] Mistee Jaxxon: lol
[14:33] Saysha Riggles: overall the drama does not stop me from enjoying SL
[14:33] Antony Chihuly: if it does saysha why would you want to stay really yeah
[14:33] Saysha Riggles: RIGHT
[14:33] Alex54 Zsigmond: me either, in fact in wakes me up to the fragility and sweetness of ppl
[14:33] Antony Chihuly: i mean we are supposed to use this to relax and enjoy
[14:34] Saysha Riggles: it is entertainment
[14:34] Ahmad Hosho: then spins more relaxing tunes
[14:34] Ahmad Hosho: lol jk
[14:34] Ahmad Hosho: nice tunes really
[14:34] Mistee Jaxxon: yes, i come for the music
[14:34] Antony Chihuly: lol
[14:34] Alex54 Zsigmond: Uhm it is not our nature to do that Antony...why do ppl play all those stressful killing games???
[14:34] Saysha Riggles: Ahmad me too!
[14:34] Antony Chihuly: co sit relaxes and entertains
[14:34] Alex54 Zsigmond: I came for art, music , ppl in that order
[14:34] Alex54 Zsigmond: I end up beinga stripper! lol
[14:35] Antony Chihuly: i came cos i was a nosey git
[14:35] Ahmad Hosho: let's be honest too, chatting with others made us open to each others too
[14:35] Saysha Riggles: lol
[14:35] Alex54 Zsigmond: LOL Antony!
[14:35] Antony Chihuly: but to be fair
[14:35] You: lol alex
[14:35] Mistee Jaxxon: i ended up being exactly what i wanted to be in RL
[14:35] Ahmad Hosho: i think those who lost their famileis here, has just been opened to some other options they didnt think about
[14:35] Antony Chihuly: when i was younger i got rid of my decks mixer and records never to dj again came to sl and wa sshown th ear tof mp3 and pc mixers and started up again
[14:36] Alex54 Zsigmond: it is an awesome platform for humanity ~ we are such needy creatures
[14:36] Antony Chihuly: met someone on here who i hadnt seen for 12 years from rl
[14:36] You: true
[14:36] Tina Jowisz: i feel more confident now in rl
[14:36] Antony Chihuly: so it does have its good dramas
[14:36] Tina Jowisz: i mean
[14:36] Mistee Jaxxon: how did u recognize them Anthony?
[14:36] Tina Jowisz: i can relate to ppl more
[14:36] Antony Chihuly: lol mistee
[14:36] Ahmad Hosho: good question: mistee
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: yes it is mistee
[14:37] Antony Chihuly: well it was weird i was in a club and speaking to this girl at random talking baotu rl and we realised who each other was
[14:37] Mara Chevalier: wow
[14:37] Antony Chihuly: never spoken or heard from her in all that time
[14:37] Alex54 Zsigmond: absolutely, Antony, the thing is ppl have to learn from the drama... some will some won't...but i think it gets some ppl out of their shyness and fear of ppl
[14:37] Antony Chihuly: it took a few days to get me head round that i tell ya
[14:37] Sidda Leigh: lol
[14:38] Saysha Riggles: when someone pulls a gun out & shoots you...do you die here?
[14:38] Ahmad Hosho: alex i remembered another type of drama in secondlife now, which is not related to sex/love
[14:38] Ahmad Hosho: and is related to saysha question as well
[14:38] Alex54 Zsigmond: On the other hand, i have had ppl trying to destroy me and make my life here miserable, but i know they don't know any better...
[14:38] Alex54 Zsigmond: Only on a sim that allows it lol
[14:38] Sidda Leigh: what is that ahmad
[14:39] Antony Chihuly: like in rl people can be callous and cruel
[14:39] You: yea
[14:39] Antony Chihuly: for me i deal with scum all day long so when i come to sl i like to be nice as it should be
[14:39] Alex54 Zsigmond: ANd so, you at least can mute them and orbit them! lol
[14:39] Ahmad Hosho: according to fact there is money here, some groups started to run in the way that real gangs are running, such as some type of mafia that steal textures and resell them. and their actions to any one who tries to point out that, is all based on terriorism.
[14:39] florenze Kerensky: alex... i don't understand people like that... wanting to make someone else's lives in SL miserable... there is just enough of those sort in RL... why waste time on petty things like that?
[14:40] Ahmad Hosho: i can mention: they try to steal accounts, they stalk u in world, they spam and scum. beside the virus of minds stuff.
[14:40] Antony Chihuly: how do they steal accounts ahmad
[14:40] Alex54 Zsigmond: florenze, they just don't know any better... it is hard to believe that i know, but you have to realize, maybe that is what they were taought in RL
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[14:41] Ahmad Hosho: Antony: not everyone join sl is good in saving their computers, and some of these mafias are RL developers or networks experts who can hack a non good computer user by the script kiddies techniques.
[14:41] Bibi Book: there are a lot ow ways to get passwords from people
[14:41] Bibi Book: one is just asking people
[14:41] Ahmad Hosho: especially when u tell ur RL information and tell ur email.
[14:41] You: true
[14:41] Breez Charron: wb T
[14:41] Saysha Riggles: this is serious drama!
[14:41] Tina Jowisz: ty
[14:42] Antony Chihuly: fair point
[14:42] Ahmad Hosho: the mafia has got 3 of my friends already as the following: 1. hacking email of one. 2. hacking the account of another. 3. making the 3rd do something wrong in world, and reported him so lindens locked his account.
[14:42] Alex54 Zsigmond: maybe this is another discussion, one that the Lindens should be invited too!
[14:43] Ahmad Hosho: Alex: or may be we need to help users to learn how to protect themselvies.
[14:43] Katty Fizzle is Offline
[14:43] Ahmad Hosho: because not every thing in this has happened with any linden tool.
[14:43] You: yes
[14:43] Alex54 Zsigmond: Right, but we could set up classe...
[14:43] Tina Jowisz: u cant protect yaself from the players
[14:43] Tina Jowisz: the users
[14:43] Alex54 Zsigmond: damn i should go to these classes!
[14:43] Tina Jowisz: the ones who will manipulate u
[14:43] Alex54 Zsigmond: i have no idea what you are talking about
[14:44] Tina Jowisz: they are smooth
[14:44] Tina Jowisz: too clever
[14:44] Tina Jowisz: they thrive on drama
[14:44] Tina Jowisz: live for it
[14:44] Alex54 Zsigmond: SO Ahmad, why don't you guys that under stand this do something with your knowledge...
[14:44] Ahmad Hosho: some basic information are needed. for an example a friend of mine who is really under there threatens told me about her computer communcations channels, and the solution i told her was as simple as that: change ur email which is registered in secondlife. and keep it hidden from any one.
[14:44] Saysha Riggles: it is such a wast of time life is short
[14:45] Alex54 Zsigmond: ture enough Saysha.
[14:45] Alex54 Zsigmond: true*
[14:45] Ahmad Hosho: or let's say the real drama which touch the core of building, when some artist make skins or clothes, and someone just steal them and resale them. it is a big drama for the artist too :)
[14:45] Sidda Leigh: i dont think we can answer why there are people here that are inhumane...that is human nature....but the drama that IS here......how is it diff from RL drama?
[14:45] Tina Jowisz: its more viciuos
[14:45] Alex54 Zsigmond: It ISN"T different Sidda!
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: it is
[14:46] Saysha Riggles: yes i agree
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: its more cruel
[14:46] Sidda Leigh: why is it more cruel?
[14:46] You: how so more?
[14:46] Sidda Leigh: im not disagreeing
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: in rl, Noo! one copies and pastes convos
[14:46] Antony Chihuly: can be tina but not lways
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: to cause trouble
[14:46] Alex54 Zsigmond: well apparently Tina, you have never lived near "gangs"
[14:46] Mara Chevalier: cause the opportunities of backstabbing behaviour is endless here
[14:46] Mara Chevalier: exactly Tina
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: i do
[14:46] Alex54 Zsigmond: In RL they have GUNS
[14:46] Tina Jowisz: 4 nites ago
[14:46] Antony Chihuly: yeah but its easier to tel people about convos in rl
[14:46] Alex54 Zsigmond: and will kill you
[14:47] Tina Jowisz: i wont explain
[14:47] Tina Jowisz: all i will say is this
[14:47] Breez Charron: I feel we all probably start out the same noobs, but as we grow and learn as in rl our sl lives start taking on a life of there own, we feel more confident start talking more which opens us up to dram's...such as rl
[14:47] Tina Jowisz: when u cant be face to face
[14:47] Tina Jowisz: its more vicious verbally
[14:47] Sidda Leigh: yes convos in SL that are pasted can certainly elicit emotion
[14:47] Tina Jowisz: mentally
[14:47] Antony Chihuly: right enough breez
[14:47] Alex54 Zsigmond: Listen, i have had ppl send viscious emails in a company, report me to HR... and tell all my coworkers blatantl lies....
[14:47] Breez Charron: drama's*
[14:48] Alex54 Zsigmond: so not different
[14:48] Antony Chihuly: has anyone ever had to reprt someone or thing to lindens before
[14:48] Ahmad Hosho: some point: 75% of human communcation is based on body language. which is missed here in secondlife, isn't that a big part of the problem.
[14:48] Tina Jowisz: yes
[14:48] Areal Loonie: yes
[14:48] Tina Jowisz: i was threatened
[14:48] Antony Chihuly: where they any good in dealign wiht it
[14:48] Tina Jowisz: Noo!
[14:48] Sidda Leigh: i have made many reports antony
[14:48] Ahmad Hosho: tony: yes .. banned 2 of them by reports :)
[14:49] Saysha Riggles: yes i have
[14:49] Sidda Leigh: yes they do email me with results
[14:49] Alex54 Zsigmond: right, so you have to REALLY watch how you phrase your speech
[14:49] Antony Chihuly: i kow of one guy who god banned for fraud but aparently he is back in game now
[14:49] florenze Kerensky: you also have to really watch how you READ the text too.... your emotional state at the time can make a post bad when it was meant to be good
[14:50] Tina Jowisz: i agree
[14:50] Ahmad Hosho: Bibi: i think we need to make a meeting sometime with people, to discuss how to protect Your account.
[14:50] Bibi Book: yes, that would be a good idea
[14:50] Alex54 Zsigmond: so true, florenze....and again when you are dealing with ppl with fragile egos...it is a problem
[14:50] Saysha Riggles: how do you stop someonr from pushing you?
[14:51] Bibi Book: here is push disabled
[14:51] Ahmad Hosho: Bibi: yes and saysha question too, how to avoid grifing in genral.
[14:51] Bibi Book: land settings
[14:51] Alex54 Zsigmond: damn, do i live in a blissful state? i never have these problems...never even muted anyone, except by mistake!
[14:51] Ahmad Hosho: may be many of them uses the redlines in their homes cause they dont know how to welcome girfers ;)
[14:51] Areal Loonie: ive never muted anyone either
[14:51] Alex54 Zsigmond: redlines?
[14:51] Bibi Book: i muted one for spamming in an event;-)
[14:51] Ahmad Hosho: oh yay i am not muted by alex then
[14:52] Antony Chihuly: lol
[14:52] Ahmad Hosho: i muted a lot ( mafia members )
[14:52] Alex54 Zsigmond: wait let me figure out how to do it Ahmad! lol
[14:52] Breez Charron: I've felt like muting a few but nah me neither!
[14:52] Ahmad Hosho: it made a big problem when i discovered they steal textures.
[14:52] florenze Kerensky: i've been involved with 3d virtual communities for over 8 years now... best way to deal with griefers is to ignore them
[14:52] Ahmad Hosho: lol alex
[14:52] florenze Kerensky: they thrive on attention, so ignore them.
[14:52] Saysha Riggles: ty
[14:52] Antony Chihuly: why do they suddently think they are mafia have thye played too much grand theft auto or what
[14:52] Sidda Leigh: <---has a very long mute list sadly
[14:52] Sidda Leigh: ROFL antony
[14:52] florenze Kerensky: best way to go sidda :)
[14:52] Areal Loonie: ha.. yea.. lots of ppl i could do without.. id just rather know what they're saying
[14:53] Ahmad Hosho: antony stealing textures makes RL money for them. so they take it so seriouse
[14:53] Alex54 Zsigmond: well i love hearing their bs, it gives me insight into their thought and emotional process, maybe then i can help them
[14:53] Ahmad Hosho: if i stop them, then .. i make them go poor
[14:53] florenze Kerensky: well you can pretend you have someone on mute and still ignore them :D
[14:53] Ahmad Hosho: flo good point :)
[14:53] Alex54 Zsigmond: lol , you say something, florenze ;-)
[14:54] florenze Kerensky: something
[14:54] florenze Kerensky: :)
[14:54] Ahmad Hosho: something
[14:54] Alex54 Zsigmond has her fingers in her ears
[14:54] Ahmad Hosho: i can too
[14:54] florenze Kerensky: rofl!!!
[14:54] Saysha Riggles: lol
[14:54] Alex54 Zsigmond: LMAO
[14:54] florenze Kerensky: that would make a great anim!!!
[14:54] Katty Fizzle is Online
[14:54] Alex54 Zsigmond kicks Ahmad under the table
[14:54] Ahmad Hosho: hehe, oh alex u just see words in secondlife, not hearing can i put my fingers in ur eyes
[14:55] Ahmad Hosho: jk jk :)
[14:55] Tina Jowisz: i find less drama when u use voice on here
[14:55] Ahmad Hosho: Verbal communcation :)
[14:55] Alex54 Zsigmond: *coff* we will discuss finger placement options... off site :-D
[14:55] Antony Chihuly: only used it once tina
[14:55] Ahmad Hosho: lol
[14:55] Ahmad Hosho: btw, what d u suggest for the next meeting as a topic?
[14:55] Saysha Riggles: voice I have not used it
[14:55] Ahmad Hosho: we can stress on something we told today
[14:55] florenze Kerensky: nyah
[14:56] Breez Charron: I for the most part play sl as I play rl...quietly at times and honest with ** WELCOME TO PRIVATE EYES ** wide open,, in both rl/sl you do have crossroads and if your not careful you will choose the wrong path, I guess in alot of ways both worlds are up to chance
[14:56] Alex54 Zsigmond: what you were talkingabout earlier
[14:56] Breez Charron: lol
[14:56] Alex54 Zsigmond: account protection
[14:56] Tina Jowisz: we could discuss using voice
[14:56] Breez Charron: rofl
[14:56] Sidda Leigh: voice is good too tina
[14:56] Sidda Leigh: accounts yes
[14:56] Antony Chihuly: good one alex
[14:56] Antony Chihuly: important too
[14:56] Ahmad Hosho: breez this is a good point
[14:56] Saysha Riggles: what do you need for voice...headset?
[14:56] Tina Jowisz: and a mike
[14:57] Bibi Book: I have another suggestion for ne of the next meetings: why are there so few non human avatars
[14:57] Antony Chihuly: jus a mic i wuold say saysha
[14:57] Areal Loonie: headset is best
[14:57] Saysha Riggles: ok
[14:57] Ahmad Hosho: good point bibi
[14:57] florenze Kerensky: ooo good one bibi
[14:57] Sidda Leigh: good one bibi although i have many that are not
[14:57] Alex54 Zsigmond: MARA!!! i would like to hear a professional viewpoint on all of this drama! Since we aren't paying her for it LOL
[14:57] Antony Chihuly: i dunno bibi i seea lot of them about
[14:57] Ahmad Hosho: account protection, because it is an important topic, we can start directly after this meeting, to discuss it for half an hour. agree?
[14:57] Alex54 Zsigmond: :-P
[14:57] Bibi Book: In the concerst there are one or two only normally
[14:58] Ahmad Hosho: we can make a second meeting about it when barney is here too.
[14:58] Ahmad Hosho: Bibi: good topic.
[14:58] You: kk
[14:58] Breez Charron: I understand animal instinct but I dont think I'd like walking around shedding everywhere is my cup of tea
[14:58] Antony Chihuly: i cant stay for that part ahmad
[14:58] Antony Chihuly: i got stuff to sort
[14:58] Ahmad Hosho: np antony, and btw, avatars are not only human and animals.
[14:59] Ahmad Hosho: :)
[14:59] Sidda Leigh: I cannot stay either...i have to go to a meeting for my son
[14:59] Areal Loonie: i wonder which of us looks most like their AV...
[14:59] Alex54 Zsigmond: me too...and i would be worthless, i don't have a clue about it, so i will leave it to the experts at hand.....
[14:59] Antony Chihuly: i know i saw a lego webslinger on the beach the other day lol
[14:59] You: lol
[15:00] Ahmad Hosho: alex: may be this is why it is easy to be hacked :) some basic information will never hurt.
[15:00] Ahmad Hosho: dont u agree lab? :)
[15:00] You: yea.
[15:00] Ahmad Hosho: the meeting is over btw :)
[15:00] Saysha Riggles: cya Sidda
[15:00] Sidda Leigh: thank u all for coming and hope to see you again

How have you surprised yourself in SL?

Hi!

• The 3rd life group is going to make an event on 18 March 2008, 2 PM SLT. Anyone is welcome to meet there and discuss our topic "How have You surprised Yourself in Secondlife ? "
• This post is meant to ask everyone the same question. You can start discussing and commenting from now, here! :)

First meeting from 2Pm-3pm ( Recorded by Mollie Servei )

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  [14:04]  Ahmad Hosho looks at his clock, it is 2:03 pm
  [14:04]  Ahmad Hosho: Ladies and gentlemen allow me to welcome You in our 3rd life meeting.
  [14:05]  Ahmad Hosho: The meeting today has no topics, but only 1 question:
  [14:05]  Ahmad Hosho: How have you surprised yourself in SL?
  [14:06]  Ahmad Hosho: Gracie last time said she has discovered new things about her self in 2nd life.
  [14:06]  Ahmad Hosho: i better set :)
  [14:06]  Ahmad Hosho: and what gracie said made us think to make it a topic for today discussion.
  [14:07]  You: yes well I've only been in 2nd life for 3 months
  [14:07]  Ahmad Hosho: Is the question clear?
  [14:07]  You: yes Ahmad
  [14:08]  You: I have been surprised at myself in these past three months
  [14:08]  Ahmad Hosho: Yes u like to tell how?
  [14:08]  You: talking with people is time-intensive so I tend to be more concise with what I have to say
  [14:08]  You: get to the point quicker
  [14:09]  You: including about topics that are very personal
  [14:09]  Latha Serevi types so fast she doesn't ever get to the poitn, hardly.
  [14:09]  You: lol
  [14:09]  Ahmad Hosho: I think this mean You have communicated with more people in SL, than in RL. Which is the same to me.
  [14:09]  florenze Kerensky: brb relogging
  [14:10]  Ahmad Hosho: Flo: tyt.
  [14:10]  Reginald Euler: hello
  [14:10]  Barney Boomslang: hey reginald
  [14:10]  Reginald Euler: I see the discussion is going on
  [14:10]  You: I am at a crossroads in my career... second career... I have a friend who is pushing me to think about what I really want from my career
  [14:10]  You: hi Reg
  [14:10]  Ahmad Hosho: welcome reginald :) please have a seat.
  [14:10]  Barney Boomslang: we just started, no worries
  [14:10]  You: have a seat
  [14:10]  Ahmad Hosho: we just start.
  [14:10]  Ahmad Hosho runs the topic: how did u surprise ur self in SL?
  [14:11]  Ahmad Hosho: Ic.
  [14:11]  Reginald Euler: but it is the same as RL
  [14:11]  Reginald Euler: so no surprises :(
  [14:11]  Ahmad Hosho: well it is the same and not the same in same time :)
  [14:11]  You: oh I've had a lot more thoughtful conversations with people I meet here
  [14:12]  Ahmad Hosho: welcome buffy :)
  [14:12]  You: when you see people just like yourself... it's easy to stay in the chitchat
  [14:12]  Latha Serevi: Since your'e forced to reinvent yourself right off the bat, and have so much latitude to do so, I do find that SL gives you a chance to see how you'll like to present yourself in an unfamiliar environment. I started out thinking, I don't want to be a glossy 6'3" supermodel like eveyrone else. I started chubby with gray hair, as well as short and dark skin tone like now. But I guess I have just enough vanity trhat I wanted to be able to put on some dancin' shoes and be socially acceptable... So I guess I'm just a titch more shallow than I trhunk.
  [14:12]  Buffy Munro: hi :))
  [14:12]  Ahmad Hosho: i have read some article telling that when we communicate online. we are less shy.
  [14:12]  You: :) Latha
  [14:12]  Latha Serevi: Told ya I type fast.
  [14:13]  You: you do!
  [14:13]  Chrisy Darwin: Hi
  [14:13]  Latha Serevi: (this is my most conservative outfit, btw. I have a nice sari and some hip-hop-ish stuff when I'm feeling cooler)
  [14:13]  You: hi Buffy, Chrisy, Bibi
  [14:13]  Ahmad Hosho: Latha: did u surprise ur self that way :)
  [14:14]  Bibi Book: Hi!
  [14:14]  Ahmad Hosho: Hi bibi.
  [14:14]  Latha Serevi: I surprised myself by needing acceptance more than I thought I would.
  [14:14]  Barney Boomslang: wb flo
  [14:14]  Ahmad Hosho: acceptance from who? :)
  [14:14]  Ahmad Hosho: i like ur avatar acutally.
  [14:14]  Latha Serevi: Whoever's around, I want to like me.
  [14:14]  florenze Kerensky: ty
  [14:14]  Ahmad Hosho: wb flo.
  [14:14]  You: oh but I think that's human nature
  [14:14]  Latha Serevi: I've been practicing being mean -- something I'm really bad at in RL, I am never unkind -- but I can't do it here either.
  [14:15]  Bibi Book: Hm... One cannot make all people like one
  [14:15]  Ahmad Hosho: that's right. but may be i feel she says they judge her because of her avatar?
  [14:15]  Barney Boomslang: <- grumpy gargoyle. being unfriendly comes with the avatar ;)
  [14:16]  Latha Serevi: Not even if I am pleasant, never cause conflict, suck up, and back down whenever challenged? I think I can be not-disliked almost all the time. Not to say it isnj't pathological of me.
  [14:16]  You: I have a friend who says I"m as prickly as a porcupine... but that's not me at all
  [14:16]  You: he just irritates the bejeezus out of me and I let him have it regularly
  [14:16]  Ahmad Hosho: i see
  [14:17]  You: so I'm less likely to hold back with him
  [14:17]  Buffy Munro: of course people judge you on your avi
  [14:17]  florenze Kerensky: would you be like that if you were with him in rl?
  [14:17]  Bibi Book: Latha: maybe, it is that you never are conflicting and try to be pleasant?
  [14:17]  You: probably, he reminds me a lot of my husband :)
  [14:17]  You decline GLAMSHACK, THE, Joiner (89, 83, 30) from A group member named MacKenzie Rasmuson.
  [14:17]  Chrisy Darwin: mabe he is ;-)
  [14:18]  You: noooo lol
  [14:18]  Ahmad Hosho: i have been surprised i was very open about my self in internet, and it is important to have some privacy. :)
  [14:18]  You: I agree Ahmad, I kick myself if I give out too much information
  [14:19]  Ahmad Hosho: Bibi has taught me some communication tricks.
  [14:19]  You: like what?
  [14:19]  Bibi Book: Have I?
  [14:19]  Ahmad Hosho: well, like 30% of females u meet may be men. in RL.
  [14:19]  You: yeah I've heard that
  [14:20]  Reginald Euler: so how you test them?
  [14:20]  You: I have friends who have female avatars
  [14:20]  Reginald Euler: are they really man or woman?
  [14:20]  You: who are men
  [14:20]  You: can't you just imagine Reg?
  [14:20]  You: our pool party at DL today?
  [14:20]  Ahmad Hosho: reginald, i dont think there is a specific way. but i guess i start to deal with it like a chess game.
  [14:20]  Reginald Euler: I think 100% chickens in SL are humans in RL
  [14:20]  Barney Boomslang: well, what I allways wondered about: why test them? I mean, what's the person - what they are at the keyboard, or what they do here? sure, if you want to go down and cyber with them, you might be interested in what they actually are, but well - for normal conversations?
  [14:21]  Barney Boomslang: reginald: I am not too sure. on the intenret, nobody knows whether you are a chicken or not ;)
  [14:21]  You: hi Chev
  [14:21]  Bibi Book: Only in a few sitioations it may be important to know
  [14:21]  Ahmad Hosho: i agree with bibi.
  [14:21]  You: very true
  [14:21]  Barney Boomslang: well, sure, they might be situations where it is important - but are they that common?
  [14:22]  Chev Carver: Hi Mollie
  [14:22]  Barney Boomslang: in most situations I think it is completely irrelevant.
  [14:22]  Ahmad Hosho: but it is not very surprising to me. what is really surprising is: the contrast between males and females looks like it is being melt with some groups.
  [14:22]  You: sorry Ahmad I don't follow you
  [14:22]  Ahmad Hosho: i had noticed that told many times by fashion designers in RL
  [14:22]  Latha Serevi: Probably has more to do with people's emotional involvement and gender identity -- "ooh, icky, does that m ean I'm gay?"
  [14:22]  Reginald Euler: ok sorry, I have to go
  [14:23]  Barney Boomslang: latha: probably.
  [14:23]  You: bye Reg
  [14:23]  Ahmad Hosho: ok reginald, thak u for coming.
  [14:23]  Bibi Book: bye reginald
  [14:23]  Ahmad Hosho: Mollie: what u dont follow.
  [14:23]  You: the contrast between men and women what?
  [14:24]  Ahmad Hosho: mollie: recently i have saw some fashion designers speaking about the fact : the more we be modern, the less contrast between men and women clothes is.
  [14:25]  You: oh ok that makes sense
  [14:25]  Bibi Book: waht those I know to be men told me: to get easier in contact with women (some not for the best reasons)
  [14:25]  Ahmad Hosho: it is told it has something to do with the communcation too.
  [14:25]  Bibi Book: some like to wear women's clothing
  [14:25]  Bibi Book: and some hide being gay
  [14:25]  You: well I'm exploring things about myself... never though I'd wear fairy wing
  [14:25]  Ahmad Hosho: yes these facts surprised me a bit.
  [14:25]  You: s
  [14:25]  Bibi Book: easier to meet with the beloved then
  [14:26]  Bibi Book: may be not that common for europeans
  [14:26]  Ahmad Hosho: yes i see
  [14:26]  You: it's fun to explore new personas
  [14:26]  Buffy Munro: sorry what is not common for europeans?
  [14:27]  Ahmad Hosho: mollie point makes sense too: communcation with a lot of people in sl more than in rl.
  [14:27]  Bibi Book: that gay men would hide behind one being a man and one being a woman
  [14:27]  You: I wonder how common that is
  [14:27]  Bibi Book: if they can marry and walk hand inn hand on the street here, why should they hide in SL?
  [14:28]  Chev Carver: less then 5 percent id bet
  [14:28]  Chrisy Darwin: but gay men want to met other men. and as a women they would meet the "wrong" type of man, wouldnt they?
  [14:28]  Messalina Messerchmitt: i met a 60 year old man the other day who has a male and a female av
  [14:28]  Bibi Book: Chrisy: they meet in ceratin pleaces or they are already a pair in RL
  [14:28]  Buffy Munro: maybe they dont mind if they only want sex
  [14:28]  You: yes Messalina, I have friends who are men with female avis
  [14:29]  Messalina Messerchmitt: only he wanetd me to get a male av so I could go with his female one. a bit weird!
  [14:29]  Chev Carver: its 2008...
  [14:29]  Ahmad Hosho: some people just do it as a RP too.
  [14:30]  Chrisy Darwin: well, tht is one thing that keeps surprising me: how people can be so obsess with SL-sex. For me its just bad manga sex. it does nothing for me...
  [14:30]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Seems to do a lot for some people!
  [14:30]  Bibi Book: and waht I have heard lately: to get the experience how it is as a woman - how people act different
  [14:30]  You: I have no interest in having a male avatar... but maybe someday I'll change my mind
  [14:30]  Chev Carver: and for others its like hightened masterbation
  [14:31]  Ahmad Hosho: i know many people married from sl in rl.
  [14:31]  Messalina Messerchmitt: And vice versa, like me!
  [14:31]  Chrisy Darwin: Cev, the internet offers mutch petter pics for mastrubation than the Sl cartoon figures.....
  [14:31]  You: you know what's funny... I have an alt... and was around people I know very well in SL... they didn't greet me when I saw them today. That was an eye-opener
  [14:32]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Do they know who the alt is?
  [14:32]  Chev Carver: yes bit its different when you know the cartoon character is a real person
  [14:32]  You: no they didn't
  [14:33]  Chrisy Darwin: Chev, thise in the pics and videos are real as well. but, ok, point taken
  [14:33]  You: but I had told them that I had one and that I was going to log in as her later
  [14:33]  You: to vote for someone
  [14:33]  Ahmad Hosho: ok another thing i have been surprised about is: Big percent of what is told about others ( like other cultres ) in media, doesn't look the same at all when u know them.
  [14:33]  You: hi Tony
  [14:33]  Antony Chihuly: now then
  [14:33]  Bibi Book: Mollie; sounds silly
  [14:33]  Chev Carver: big surprise mainsteam media lieing about something....sigh
  [14:34]  Ahmad Hosho: chev: yes, i guess i had a lot of surprises like that.
  [14:34]  Antony Chihuly: room for a small one lol
  [14:34]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [14:34]  Bibi Book: depends on the media, I think
  [14:35]  Chev Carver: if its not mainsteam then maybe
  [14:35]  Buffy Munro: i know
  [14:35]  Buffy Munro: oops wrong window
  [14:35]  Buffy Munro: i am a stereo typical blonde
  [14:35]  Ahmad Hosho: may be i can say it is also in relation of what other cultres think in general about others. well the media can make sometimes a basic wrong idea in the cultre itself.
  [14:36]  You: or sometimes they don't cover that culture at all
  [14:36]  Antony Chihuly: i dont believe you buffy lol
  [14:36]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [14:36]  Chev Carver: indeed, thats why it is healthy to question its motives at all times
  [14:36]  Buffy Munro: ok maybe i act more stupid than i am
  [14:37]  Bibi Book: Ahmad: but media is a reflection of society, too
  [14:37]  Chev Carver: no it is not
  [14:37]  florenze Kerensky agrees with chev
  [14:37]  Chev Carver: society is a reflection of the media you mean
  [14:37]  Antony Chihuly: no way i have known you for hmm it must be about 1min 30 secs and i think your great lol
  [14:37]  Chrisy Darwin: and the media has to fullfill the expectations of its readers to be read.... bad spiral
  [14:37]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [14:37]  You: well to sell
  [14:37]  Bibi Book: both, chev
  [14:37]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Media sometimes likes to project aspirations that are not attainable in rl
  [14:38]  Buffy Munro: oh you are from the uk?
  [14:38]  Antony Chihuly: aye
  [14:38]  Messalina Messerchmitt: But anything is possible in sl!
  [14:38]  Buffy Munro: cool
  [14:38]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Yes Im from England
  [14:38]  Buffy Munro: me too
  [14:38]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [14:38]  Diva Regina: Late, as usual, Diva climbs on bandwagon with Flo and Chev.
  [14:38]  Chev Carver: the media is owned my wealthy people who want to make more money
  [14:38]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
  [14:38]  Barney Boomslang: well, first th ing would be to define "the media"
  [14:38]  You: right and scandal sells
  [14:39]  Barney Boomslang: there is no such thing as a homogenous "media" at all
  [14:39]  You: wb Ahmad
  [14:39]  Barney Boomslang: is scientific american or geo part of media?
  [14:39]  Ahmad Hosho: ty sorry
  [14:39]  Barney Boomslang: they are _very_ different from for example the london sun or the german bild
  [14:39]  Diva Regina: I'd be thinking of large commercial broad range outlets, such as news bureaus, newspapers and magazines, and television
  [14:39]  Bibi Book: in europe in most country only the right winged could puzblis "muslims are all evil"
  [14:39]  Chrisy Darwin: i asume we meen mas media if we say media (not blogs etc)
  [14:39]  Bibi Book: Muslims
  [14:39]  Bibi Book: in US that wold be easy
  [14:39]  Barney Boomslang: and even if you take daily media - you have both the worst and the best. new your times is quite different than for example the sun
  [14:39]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Its not easy to say that in the UK
  [14:40]  Diva Regina: But the fiction of unbiased coverage and approach is just that, a fiction, I think.
  [14:40]  Bibi Book: I guess that is the reason why the transcript of bush's speach was not the same as I heard before live
  [14:40]  Diva Regina: Whether highbrow or low.
  [14:40]  Messalina Messerchmitt: they cater for different ends of society
  [14:40]  Barney Boomslang: oh , of course, publication is allways biased in a way - everyone publishing has an agenda
  [14:41]  Ahmad Hosho: in egypt they think europe and USA agrees with each others at everything :) / it is based on fact when America decide to make a war, no one stops it.
  [14:41]  You: right in cluding bloggers
  [14:41]  Messalina Messerchmitt: but the 'highbrow' newspapers tend to more impartial
  [14:41]  Diva Regina: I don't know about that Messalina.
  [14:41]  Barney Boomslang: but the agenda doesn't necessarily inflict damage on the published content - like for example the political agenda of the new york times won't necessarily influence it's sport reporting ;)
  [14:41]  Ahmad Hosho: as long as they dont bother our king tomb " tut ankh amun "
  [14:41]  Diva Regina: I've seen very "intellectual" newspapers covering something I knew all about, and they got it very wrong.
  [14:41]  Messalina Messerchmitt: hehehe
  [14:42]  Chrisy Darwin: Messalina, they write what thear reads expect. If they start writing lihe Sun / Bild, their reads will not buy them the next time
  [14:42]  Messalina Messerchmitt: but it seems that lowere ned papers always adopt a definite stance
  [14:42]  Messalina Messerchmitt: end
  [14:42]  You: Welcome Azer, Sidda
  [14:42]  Bibi Book: Chrisy: yes
  [14:42]  Ahmad Hosho: i see.
  [14:42]  Diva Regina: At least they're honest about it.
  [14:42]  Sidda Leigh: ty molls
  [14:42]  Sidda Leigh: hello everyone
  [14:42]  Diva Regina: hello
  [14:42]  Buffy Munro: hi :)
  [14:42]  florenze Kerensky: i think problem with media isn't so much what they put out but that most today don't use any critical thinking... they accept what they see, hear, read as what is
  [14:42]  Azer Enriquez: hi
  [14:42]  Antony Chihuly: now then sidda
  [14:43]  Chev Carver: indeed florenze
  [14:43]  Diva Regina: It's interesting too, what doesn't get covered.
  [14:43]  Barney Boomslang: flo: well, even that - is it really over the whole field of media? what about the NYT? what about the washington post? Just two papers in the states.
  [14:43]  Bibi Book: flo: yes. it is written black on white and must be true
  [14:43]  Barney Boomslang: what about the "Zeit" in Germany?
  [14:43]  Messalina Messerchmitt: some papers hope that their audience wont use any critical thinking either!
  [14:43]  Antony Chihuly: th emedia puts out what will sell news though
  [14:43]  Diva Regina: If an event isn't thought of as being "ok", sometimes it never appears, no matter how well attended, etc.
  [14:43]  Barney Boomslang: sure, they all have an agenda - but does it automatically make them all the same? I think you can still get a lot out of "normal" media channels
  [14:43]  florenze Kerensky: barney.... the average person doesn't read that.
  [14:43]  Ahmad Hosho: media has to make some distortions to sell too. they will not make the media allow people think there is any normal day in our life :)
  [14:44]  Diva Regina: That critical thinking Flo talked about is pretty important.
  [14:44]  Bibi Book: but even Zeit has taken out articles
  [14:44]  Antony Chihuly: its niot th emedia you need to worry about in rl its the government
  [14:44]  Diva Regina: If there was time, it would be good to read a variety of viewpoints, but we tend to just scan the top paragraph and leave it at that.
  [14:44]  Bibi Book: tha tis the problem: people read Bild and Sun
  [14:44]  Chrisy Darwin: Anthony: and thats the advantage of public media. Look at the TV news in the US. even CNN. only hype and zero content
  [14:44]  Bibi Book: or nothing at all
  [14:44]  Diva Regina: that would depend on where you were, Antony, I'd think.
  [14:44]  Barney Boomslang: well, sure, the average person sucks. that's just a function of statistics ;)
  [14:44]  Diva Regina: In some places, you're absolutely correc t.
  [14:45]  Diva Regina: haha
  [14:45]  Sidda Leigh: barney lol
  [14:45]  Diva Regina: Make that into a t-shirt, Barney.
  [14:45]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
  [14:45]  Antony Chihuly: does it diva are you really sure all governmts are run by a similar cause though
  [14:45]  Chev Carver: oh you must worry about media when they say your tap water is healthy and its full of crap that would kill a mouse in days
  [14:45]  Barney Boomslang: but still - I am a bit careful about this whole "learn about cultures" thing - you see, in here, you don't really learn about cultures - you learn about individuals
  [14:45]  Bibi Book: Fox made Bush president announcing befiore the results have been out
  [14:45]  Ahmad Hosho if u have problem following the chat, u can just click " local chat " button to see it in a bigger window.
  [14:45]  Bibi Book: and most of the other media followed
  [14:45]  Barney Boomslang: for example a report in the scientific american about an asian culture will be much more informative than meeting one p erson who hapens to live in that land
  [14:46]  Chrisy Darwin: goverments are run by people wh want to be reellected to keep their joby... in the west that is. and is that a good motive?
  [14:46]  Barney Boomslang: because the sciam will have more, broader, input to spread for an article, while the individual comes with it's own baggage
  [14:46]  Messalina Messerchmitt: there are a lot of people in here that wont even say where they come from, let alone their culture
  [14:46]  Ahmad Hosho: Barney: the report can misslead u too.
  [14:46]  Chev Carver: Chrisy that isint it at all
  [14:46]  Barney Boomslang: for example, I think it would be silly to extrapolate the egyptian culture from ahmads behaviour :)
  [14:46]  Chev Carver: They are chosen puppets
  [14:46]  Antony Chihuly: whsy that then messalina
  [14:46]  Bibi Book: Barney: waht you need is both ressources: good reports and contact to people
  [14:47]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: yes. the mix is what saves you there
  [14:47]  Chrisy Darwin: that hev to be ellected to do and keep their jobs Chv, same thing
  [14:47]  Barney Boomslang: you need broad reporting - and that can only come through media channels, as individuals rarely have the resources to do so - and have to merge that with what you hear from individuals
  [14:47]  Ahmad Hosho: Barney: that's right. but if u ask me about something in october war. i may tell u about a book u never know. which written by our priedent. :)
  [14:47]  Messalina Messerchmitt: the ones who say 'dont ask about my rl' there are very many
  [14:47]  Chev Carver: and you think the election is legitimate? all done on computers now?
  [14:47]  Bibi Book: But good and many reporsts can ake you having a better view on waht a single person tells/says
  [14:48]  Antony Chihuly: yeah but isnt that because they treat rl as rl and sl as an escape from that
  [14:48]  florenze Kerensky: chris... yes they are elected to do and keep jobs, but how educated on the majority of people who vote for them, how do they make theier choices?
  [14:48]  Barney Boomslang: people lie, but media lie, too. sometimes they just get things wrong - it's human to make errors.
  [14:48]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: yes. both sides - that way each side can "control" the others content.
  [14:48]  Messalina Messerchmitt: yes, but it doesnt get you far when youre trying to meet people and learn from other cultures
  [14:49]  Antony Chihuly: but isnt that their choice and not anyone elses business
  [14:49]  Messalina Messerchmitt: i have met people who pretend to be a different nationality from what thhey are
  [14:49]  Ahmad Hosho: i bare in my mind when someone asks about my cultre, to answere the most accurate answere which could be found in our resources. :) but again.. that opened a surprise to me too. many people doesnt know ur resources or what ur people has written about themselves. they prefer to read what their own authors have written about us
  [14:49]  Bibi Book: You need toleanr to find out when people lie - not believe everything
  [14:49]  Barney Boomslang: <- is a gargoyle, and since that comes from garguille, a french dragon, I guess that makes me french ;)
  [14:49]  Chev Carver: One of the programmers testified in court about the voting machines he programed for admitting to program it to cheat the ellection for Bush
  [14:49]  You: you're kidding Chev
  [14:49]  You: wow
  [14:49]  Chev Carver: go youtube it
  [14:50]  Chrisy Darwin: florence. you didnt get the point. they have to be ellected or reellected to have a job. never mind if what they do is correct or if they themselfs believe in what they do. as long as the voters like it.....
  [14:50]  Antony Chihuly: but at the end of the day tho thats they have made the choice to do that i wouldnt loose any sleep over it myself
  [14:50]  Barney Boomslang: chev: the problem with voting machines is that they need paper trails to be controllable. if you don't have them, an election made with them is worth shit. *shrug* - they are as dumb around here, now, though :/
  [14:50]  Bibi Book: some reports are in the internet from official sides, too
  [14:50]  Chev Carver: agreed paper is the only way
  [14:51]  Ahmad Hosho: it depends on who will open the papers then :)
  [14:51]  florenze Kerensky: paper is the only way IF they don't have chads :)
  [14:51]  Bibi Book: Ahmad: that still is, yes
  [14:51]  Bibi Book: and who publishes results
  [14:51]  Chev Carver: thats not to mention the actual criminals that work the voting places
  [14:51]  Bibi Book: my grandpa was in KZ becaus he told that resuklts were wrong
  [14:51]  Ahmad Hosho: bibi: that too.
  [14:52]  Barney Boomslang: ahmad: yes, paper can be fiddled with, too. but the thing is: paper trails _can_ be controlled. bits in storage not. :)
  [14:52]  Chev Carver: yea you can watch paper be counted
  [14:52]  Ahmad Hosho: the whole topic is tottaly not known here, here people think americans voted for bush because they liked him :)
  [14:52]  Chev Carver: and watch how its trasported
  [14:52]  Bibi Book: yes, Chev
  [14:52]  Chev Carver: and you watch the guys count them too
  [14:52]  Ahmad Hosho: but not everyone thinks so, it is a general phrase u can hear here.
  [14:53]  Bibi Book: Ahmad: too many like him - or do not know waht to elect
  [14:53]  Sidda Leigh: al gore wone the popular vote
  [14:53]  Sidda Leigh: bush won the delegates
  [14:54]  Sidda Leigh: i did not vote for bush
  [14:54]  Bibi Book: and too many "like" Angela
  [14:54]  You: but that's the way it's been set up for 200 years
  [14:54]  florenze Kerensky: ahmad... you need to understand that most in VR environments tend to be out of the main stream. so you would be inclined to meet more of those who, let's say, didn't vote for bush then you would in rl
  [14:54]  Ahmad Hosho: bibi: acutally the discussions which has held in deviantART ( the largest online art community ) between europeans, americans, israel people and egyptians. has opened a lot of eyes about different facts in both cultres.
  [14:54]  Barney Boomslang: flo: yes, that's one problem - people you meet in here _are_ allready a bit different than the average person
  [14:54]  Messalina Messerchmitt: are you saying we're weird/
  [14:54]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
  [14:55]  Barney Boomslang: yep. we are freaks.
  [14:55]  florenze Kerensky: yes messalina, we uber geeks :)
  [14:55]  florenze Kerensky: lol
  [14:55]  Antony Chihuly: speak for yourself lol
  [14:55]  Sidda Leigh: evagelicals who support bush are not usually on second life
  [14:55]  Bibi Book: Barney: isn't it more that europeans might not have muc contact to other americans?
  [14:55]  Sidda Leigh: evangelicals
  [14:55]  Ahmad Hosho: i am not sure if we can really know what class is the person who connect in sl.
  [14:55]  Chev Carver: Well it doent much matter now, voting is obsolete now that US is now Nazi Germany, Bush is not a dictator so..
  [14:55]  Messalina Messerchmitt: I find you cant talk about sl to people that dont know it. they dont understand at all
  [14:55]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: I wouldn't be able to judge - I am european and only know freaks ;)
  [14:55]  Bibi Book: I guess some only would not like to have contact with me, becaus I am a witch
  [14:55]  Antony Chihuly: there is alsorts of people on sl now
  [14:56]  Chrisy Darwin: Sidda, go to some of the christian sims and be very surprised :-)
  [14:56]  Antony Chihuly: when i joined there was not even 1mill now hteres much more
  [14:56]  Sidda Leigh: im not saying all
  [14:56]  Sidda Leigh: im saying in general
  [14:56]  Ahmad Hosho: yes
  [14:56]  You: I have to be very careful about what I say to whom about SL in RL
  [14:56]  Barney Boomslang: well, I'd say even the religious nuts inworld won't be the run-of-the-mill religious nuts.
  [14:56]  Chrisy Darwin: I gree Molli, same goes for me
  [14:56]  Messalina Messerchmitt: why do you think that Mollie/
  [14:56]  Antony Chihuly: well why should you talk about it in rl
  [14:57]  Barney Boomslang: you see - you _have_ to have a computer with capability to run this stuff and you need a decent connection to the internet and you need to hang out on the internet for quite a while
  [14:57]  Bibi Book: Barney: I think, you are wrong with that
  [14:57]  You: well my line of work, I work for a school district
  [14:57]  Antony Chihuly: you dont talk about when you go to the toilet in rl to other peple do you
  [14:57]  Antony Chihuly: why is that ?
  [14:57]  Antony Chihuly: because its a private thing
  [14:57]  Ahmad Hosho: barney: that may happen in near future. and it is growing.
  [14:57]  Antony Chihuly: same as anyrhign else that os private
  [14:57]  Buffy Munro: some people do
  [14:57]  Barney Boomslang: I'd say people in here allways will be different than those outside - they will be maybe in similar group-distributions, but they won't be the same like th ose outside.
  [14:57]  Messalina Messerchmitt: er, I hadnt thought of it like that, Antony!
  [14:57]  Ahmad Hosho: UN resolution to make everyone connected online by 2010, if i still remember that correctly.
  [14:57]  Bibi Book: Anthony: in RL you just stand up and go to it and all see, where you go
  [14:57]  Chrisy Darwin: well, we'd be back with media: SL is an online sex game. and commercial at that
  [14:58]  Chrisy Darwin: lol
  [14:58]  Ahmad Hosho: christy: lol
  [14:58]  Sidda Leigh: lol chrisy
  [14:58]  You: right Crisy and that's not why I'm here... to begin with or to continue with
  [14:58]  Messalina Messerchmitt: I dont think it started out like that did it?
  [14:58]  Antony Chihuly: problem is messalina is people belive that thye need to discuss everything with people but why because they let other people control their lives
  [14:58]  Barney Boomslang: well, I've heard people talk aobut taking a "bio-break" quite a few times, so I guess they _do_ announce it ;)
  [14:58]  Bibi Book: Chrisy: too much of it is like that
  [14:58]  Chrisy Darwin: i know mollie:-) me neither....
  [14:58]  Antony Chihuly: you los tme there bibi
  [14:59]  Bibi Book: and if they find child porn here and LL doe snot much about it, they have the press as result
  [14:59]  florenze Kerensky: i do coffee exchanges :)
  [14:59]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
  [14:59]  Bibi Book: Antony: that about RL and going to toilet
  [14:59]  You: Coffee xechanges Flo?
  [14:59]  Antony Chihuly: yeah but bib ther ewill be people into child porn in here already
  [14:59]  florenze Kerensky: coffee in , coffee out
  [14:59]  florenze Kerensky chuckles
  [14:59]  You: oh :)
  [14:59]  Antony Chihuly: because it is a global problem
  [15:00]  Ahmad Hosho: glad the coffee is not a global problem too :)
  [15:00]  florenze Kerensky: lol
  [15:00]  Chev Carver: yea theres child smuggling going on everywhere
  [15:00]  Chev Carver: watchem closely
  [15:00]  Ahmad Hosho tell a note. the event is done. but the meeting can continue
  [15:00]  Chrisy Darwin: am i correct, that the "game" and "sex" aspects make you hide your SL self in RL, Mollie? t is for me...
  [15:00]  Antony Chihuly: yeah especially quality arabian stuff ahmad lol
  [15:00]  Bibi Book: Ahmad:: it is, coffee is way too cheap
  [15:00]  You: yes
  [15:00]  Buffy Munro: cheap!
  [15:01]  Antony Chihuly: eh did i hear that right bibi lol
  [15:01]  Ahmad Hosho: antony: the arabic coffe is not strong like the egyptian one :)
  [15:01]  Ahmad Hosho: coffee*
  [15:01]  Antony Chihuly: yeah i dont like it too strong
  [15:01]  You: but I don't consider SL to be a game, a topic from a previous meeting
  [15:01]  Antony Chihuly: i know i had egyptian coffe
  [15:01]  Chrisy Darwin: and i also think the name SL was wrong. it makes it sould like a game. Not a 3D internet (what is more what it is)
  [15:01]  Antony Chihuly: my brother in law is egyptian
  [15:01]  Bibi Book: Mollie: it is a bit of all: game, communication platform...
  [15:01]  Chev Carver: its not a game its 3D mesenger lol
  [15:02]  Buffy Munro: what do you consider sl to be if not a game?
  [15:02]  You: :) hey Chev
  [15:02]  Ahmad Hosho: Anthony: i see :)
  [15:02]  Sidda Leigh: rofl chev yes
  [15:02]  Messalina Messerchmitt: a game has winners and losers
  [15:02]  You: for me it's a way to meet people
  [15:02]  florenze Kerensky: it is what you see it as. no way you can label it for anyone but yourself
  [15:02]  You: and to get to know them
  [15:02]  Chev Carver: its MSN Messenger with little AVIs
  [15:02]  Ahmad Hosho: 3d msn :)
  [15:02]  Bibi Book: no, not all games have winners and loosers
  [15:02]  Chrisy Darwin: bibi. its a platform. you can ply on it. like a lawn. you can play ball on it. you dont have to, but you can...
  [15:02]  You: I have very inimate conversations in here
  [15:02]  Antony Chihuly: i agree with you there florenze
  [15:02]  You: intimate
  [15:02]  Barney Boomslang: It's lego with IRC thrown in :)
  [15:03]  Chev Carver: lol
  [15:03]  Antony Chihuly: lol barney
  [15:03]  Chrisy Darwin: lol
  [15:03]  You: and I'm not talking about sex, I'm talking about personal things
  [15:03]  Antony Chihuly: like the lego deathstar on you tube lol
  [15:03]  Ahmad Hosho: it looks like it started like a game, and gradually it changed to be more a visual communcation platform.
  [15:03]  Bibi Book: but bad IRC
  [15:03]  Bibi Book: IRC is working better
  [15:03]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: yeah, but building on IRC sucks :P
  [15:03]  You: sorry? what's IRC?
  [15:03]  florenze Kerensky: started more as a creative outlet... what it is not, who knows :)
  [15:03]  Bibi Book: Internet Relay Chat
  [15:03]  You: ok
  [15:04]  Ahmad Hosho: yes irc is an old chat tool. :)
  [15:04]  Bibi Book: rather old already
  [15:04]  Chrisy Darwin: Ahmad. If you look what inspired Linden, then it was never a game. Did you read the book snow crash"? That was the concept
  [15:04]  Antony Chihuly: theres a few different similar sl types molls
  [15:04]  Barney Boomslang: ahmad: yes, the very first stuff from LL - called Lindenworld back then - was more game-like. they terraformed with grenades and buildings could be destroyed by others.
  [15:04]  Sidda Leigh: and now ladies and gentlemen i must take my leave...im sorry i was late due to RL and did not contribute much to the discussion...enjoy! and see you next time....I have a student waiting for editing a paper in SL in my little group....see u all soon!
  [15:04]  Antony Chihuly: laters sid
  [15:04]  You: bye Sidda
  [15:04]  florenze Kerensky: bye sidda :) tc
  [15:04]  Chrisy Darwin: cu sidda
  [15:04]  Barney Boomslang: cu sidda
  [15:04]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Bye Sidda
  [15:04]  Buffy Munro: see ya
  [15:04]  Sidda Leigh: bey bye
  [15:04]  Bibi Book: Snow Crash? I may search that
  [15:04]  Chev Carver: later
  [15:04]  Ahmad Hosho: chrisy: no but i read some interveiw with him, and i know he said he wanted everyone to creat his own world. and yes i dont play computer games, so i made sure it is not a game before i connect here :)
  [15:05]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: neal stephenson "Snowcrash" - good book about virtual worlds as a back-story
  [15:05]  Ahmad Hosho: i only play chess*
  [15:05]  Antony Chihuly: yeah but you could look at it as a game
  [15:05]  Barney Boomslang: I personally prefer "Otherland" by Tad Williams as the mental model for SL, though
  [15:05]  Antony Chihuly: a game is a thing you do to relax init
  [15:05]  Chrisy Darwin: its scifi Bibi. And the name of the platform they use is Metaverse (i prefer that name to SL)
  [15:05]  Antony Chihuly: and do we not come on here to relax
  [15:05]  You: game implies winners and losers
  [15:05]  Barney Boomslang: flo: next song was the one I sent you the IM about - just moved it up again :)
  [15:05]  You: to me anyway
  [15:05]  Antony Chihuly: yeah i am always on a winnner
  [15:05]  Antony Chihuly: lol
  [15:06]  Ahmad Hosho: antony: i understand that imagination can be more fun than a game. :) i can creat or live any life i want here. it is like u write a story and illustrate it.
  [15:06]  Bibi Book: Mollie: no games do not always imply winners and loosers
  [15:06]  Chrisy Darwin: Barney, irespectiev of what you prefer, Linden actually says it is based on "snow crash"
  [15:06]  Messalina Messerchmitt: And you never know what will happen when you log on
  [15:06]  Chev Carver: its a hybrid program irc, building program with custom avitars
  [15:06]  Ahmad Hosho: i c
  [15:06]  Barney Boomslang: chrisy: actually they said it is not LOL - ask three lindens, get 5 answers that conflict with each other and themselves ;)
  [15:07]  Chrisy Darwin: LOL
  [15:07]  Chrisy Darwin: typical Linden....
  [15:07]  You: back to the original topic of how you were surprised with SL... and I am surprised by the sense of playfulness in here...
  [15:07]  Antony Chihuly: thing is rightly or wrongly i come on here cos i enoy it and have frineds on here but and a big but i dont tak eit too seriously if i ever got pissed off with it i wuold leave and that would be the end of it cos thats not the reason i come on here
  [15:07]  Messalina Messerchmitt: some people take far too seriously
  [15:07]  Messalina Messerchmitt: take it*
  [15:07]  You: yes Messalina
  [15:07]  Antony Chihuly: though let me tell you guys a little thing thathappened to me recently
  [15:08]  Ahmad Hosho: SL allowed me to learn more about edgar degas as an example, i tried to paint his paintings with digital tools in sl. :) and i role played sometime his name.. made me read more etc. it is a fun to do, and it help my art part in same time. :)
  [15:08]  Bibi Book: I have to admit, I have been miost surprised by how stupid and paranoid soem people are
  [15:08]  Antony Chihuly: i came on here recently and got chatting to some girl randomly in a club i go to
  [15:08]  Chev Carver: im not Bibi
  [15:08]  You: yes Bibi... lately I have been seeing a lot of catfights where I hang out
  [15:08]  Antony Chihuly: after a while we realise that we used to be part of a big group of poeple who used to go clubbing together in rl over 10 years ago
  [15:08]  You: women
  [15:09]  Antony Chihuly: and i hadnt seen of heard of any of them since then neither
  [15:09]  Antony Chihuly: now that is bizzare lol
  [15:09]  Chrisy Darwin: stupid or paranoid, Chev ? grin / duck
  [15:09]  Antony Chihuly: that surprised me i tell ya lol
  [15:09]  Messalina Messerchmitt: amazing coincidence
  [15:09]  Chev Carver: lol
  [15:09]  You: so you still travel in the same circles although you don't see each other
  [15:10]  Antony Chihuly: possibly mollie yeah
  [15:10]  Trent Java Delicious Coffee: coffee brewed!
  [15:10]  Antony Chihuly: although i never met anyone else lol
  [15:10]  You: well today I wasted two hours at a pool party in SL...
  [15:10]  Antony Chihuly: but i bet there is others on here that i know lol
  [15:11]  Messalina Messerchmitt: you never know who you are talking to sometimes!
  [15:11]  Antony Chihuly: i bet there are some famous peope in here too
  [15:11]  Barney Boomslang: sure. herbie hancock is.
  [15:11]  You: oh how did you know, now my secret's out
  [15:11]  Chrisy Darwin: it would be a very good place to "go out" for them Anthony
  [15:11]  Antony Chihuly: espeically th eones who dont get out too much cos of poularity and stuff its an easy escape
  [15:11]  Messalina Messerchmitt: hahha
  [15:12]  florenze Kerensky: herbie hancock in sl?
  [15:12]  Barney Boomslang: yep
  [15:12]  Antony Chihuly: yeha i am really val doonican
  [15:12]  Ahmad Hosho: well, i remember at sometime when i was a new user. i saw something i wanted to paint. and i asked my self: why may i paint from some pixels, i always used to paint life. But in the end i said: who has placed every avatar in his place? isn't people behind the avatars. and who dress them that way, isn't every one dressed him/herself the way they are. and i started to paint.
  [15:12]  Barney Boomslang: they had a mixed-reality event with him a while ago- and when the studio doing the stuff had him over, he just p lugged his notebook in, logged in and said "ok, show me what you built" :)
  [15:12]  You: very cool Ahmad
  [15:12]  Chev Carver: i really doubt that celebs come on here
  [15:12]  Barney Boomslang: the studio was lucky that they _did_ indeed have all built allready, otherwise they might havbe had a problem ;)
  [15:12]  Ahmad Hosho: if u like i can show u my first painting in sl.
  [15:13]  Antony Chihuly: thats true ahamd i didnt realise until someone told me but when i showed the a pic they said it was funny as i looked like my avi lol
  [15:13]  Bibi Book: Ahmad: that is the important: tere are people behind all of us
  [15:13]  You: sure
  [15:13]  florenze Kerensky: chev, you a celeb trying to hide fact that celebs do come on here? :)
  [15:13]  Antony Chihuly: lees the lagre tats like lol
  [15:13]  Chev Carver: i really doubt a chunck of celebs know how to use a computer even
  [15:13]  You: well that's like Nath's video
  [15:13]  Bibi Book: and even if people role play that is part of them
  [15:13]  Bibi Book: or if they grief
  [15:13]  You: I sent it to a friend... his response was "are there people behind those cartoons?"
  [15:14]  Chrisy Darwin: na, Chev = Prince Harry in RL....
  [15:14]  florenze Kerensky: back in the day at a few events in sl with rl celebs, a couple admitted to having sl avatars in here
  [15:14]  Chev Carver: there too busy in rehab or doing cocain, the majority are shallow people, 2 faced for the camera
  [15:14]  Antony Chihuly: didnt duran duran do a concert in here
  [15:14]  Ahmad Hosho: sorry was building the painting presentation.
  [15:14]  Ahmad Hosho: back.
  [15:14]  Bibi Book: Antony: as far as I know, it only was streamed
  [15:14]  Barney Boomslang: antony: nope, tehy talked about doing one, but never really did.
  [15:15]  Antony Chihuly: ah right
  [15:15]  Bibi Book: Oh, did not know, it did not happen
  [15:15]  Barney Boomslang: and well, sorry, but duran duran - they are not celebs any more ;)
  [15:15]  Chev Carver: haha
  [15:15]  Bibi Book: and U2 never has been here, too
  [15:16]  Antony Chihuly: yeah but they are still good lol
  [15:16]  Chev Carver: who? lol
  [15:16]  Bibi Book: those here are not U2 and they use recordings
  [15:16]  Ahmad Hosho: U2: sure they never have been here.
  [15:16]  Antony Chihuly: i saw u2 tribute band lastmonth at an 80's weekender they where awesome
  [15:16]  Barney Boomslang: bono won't find the time between jetting all over the world to show his stupid glasses in camera for logging into sl ;)
  [15:16]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
  [15:16]  Barney Boomslang: antony: well, they run recordings - that's easy to do "awesome", if you just run recordings of the real U2
  [15:16]  Barney Boomslang: they are a cheat. and a bad one at that.
  [15:17]  Ahmad Hosho: barney: that in case if he even had time to hear about secondlife.
  [15:17]  Barney Boomslang: just pixel-show, they don't even do anything else themselves it seems
  [15:17]  Antony Chihuly: no this was in rl barney
  [15:17]  Barney Boomslang: ah, ok
  [15:17]  Barney Boomslang: RL bands at least sometimes have to play themselves ;)
  [15:17]  Antony Chihuly: at butlins in skegness lol
  [15:17]  Buffy Munro: lmao
  [15:17]  Messalina Messerchmitt: hahha
  [15:17]  Bibi Book: Antony: ah, okay
  [15:18]  Bibi Book: sounded like you referred to SL show
  [15:18]  Antony Chihuly: its was good got my pic took with the real buster blood vessel aswell lol
  [15:18]  Antony Chihuly: ah sorry
  [15:18]  Bibi Book: Barney: rigth, some do not play live in ive events in RL, too
  [15:19]  You: oh is that your painting Ahmad?
  [15:19]  Antony Chihuly: yeah right enough
  [15:19]  Ahmad Hosho: yes
  [15:19]  Barney Boomslang: bibi: it's harder to do with a full band, though, than with a singer. the singer should just make sure they have the mic switched off to not sound over the playback ;)
  [15:19]  Ahmad Hosho: mollie: yes, iti s my painting.
  [15:19]  You: it's lovely Ahmad
  [15:19]  Bibi Book: which? The witch?
  [15:19]  Ahmad Hosho: ty mollie
  [15:19]  Ahmad Hosho: bibi no
  [15:20]  Bibi Book: ah, that one
  [15:20]  Bibi Book: I remembver it
  [15:20]  Ahmad Hosho: she means this one
  [15:20]  Ahmad Hosho: my first painting in sl.
  [15:20]  Barney Boomslang: ahmad: no bopping guests over the head with paintings ;)
  [15:20]  Ahmad Hosho: sorry messa
  [15:20]  Messalina Messerchmitt: haha
  [15:21]  Ahmad Hosho: well edgar degas has forced his self in the style.
  [15:21]  Messalina Messerchmitt: lovely. Impressionistic
  [15:21]  Messalina Messerchmitt: like Degas
  [15:21]  Ahmad Hosho: yes never thought to do it, but i found it coming by itself.
  [15:21]  You: ok I need to run along for a bit
  [15:21]  Ahmad Hosho: ok mollie
  [15:21]  You: I'll see you at the 6 p.m. meeting Ahmad
  [15:21]  Messalina Messerchmitt: Bye Mollie
  [15:21]  Ahmad Hosho: ok mollie :) see u
  [15:22]  Ahmad Hosho: the lady i painted: i thought she will give me 2 lindens or something as i was a new user
  [15:22]  Antony Chihuly: laters molli
  [15:22]  Ahmad Hosho: she told me: nice.
  

Second meeting from 6Pm-7pm ( Recorded by Mollie Servei )

• [18:02]  Ahmad Hosho: we can spend it togather lol
  [18:02]  You: lol
  [18:02]  Ahmad Hosho: well the less the better any way
  [18:03]  Ahmad Hosho: buffy is coming
  [18:03]  MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Buffy Munro (2m)
  [18:03]  Buffy Munro: ooops sorry
  [18:03]  You: np
  [18:03]  Ahmad Hosho: dont worry it may be my mistake :)
  [18:03]  Buffy Munro: yes it was
  [18:03]  Ahmad Hosho: i said may be
  [18:03]  Buffy Munro: and i said it was
  [18:03]  Ahmad Hosho place his gun loaded
  [18:04]  Ahmad Hosho: on the table
  [18:04]  Ahmad Hosho: any one?
  [18:04]  Buffy Munro: and i grab it and bend the barrels
  [18:04]  Ahmad Hosho: i said it was
  [18:04]  Buffy Munro: haha
  [18:04]  Ahmad Hosho: ok have a seat please :)
  [18:05]  Ahmad Hosho: what was the topic again
  [18:05]  You: lol
  [18:05]  You: maybe two times aren't really needed
  [18:05]  You: or
  [18:05]  Ahmad Hosho: we may try to talk and see if it works :)
  [18:05]  You: maybe we need to have one on the weekend
  [18:06]  Ahmad Hosho lights his cigar
  [18:06]  Buffy Munro coughs
  [18:07]  Ahmad Hosho: i am trying to tp someone
  [18:07]  Ahmad Hosho: if doesnt come, we can start to try to talk :)
  [18:07]  You: I'm IMing people too
  [18:07]  Buffy Munro: not on my head please
  [18:07]  Ahmad Hosho: sure buffy :)
  [18:07]  Buffy Munro: thanks
  [18:07]  MystiTool HUD 1.0.22: Entering chat range: Moyra Ares (2m)
  [18:08]  Ahmad Hosho: hello Moyra :)
  [18:08]  Moyra Ares: ~waves~
  [18:08]  Buffy Munro: hi Moyra
  [18:08]  Ahmad Hosho: moyra meet buffy, mollie
  [18:08]  You: welcome
  [18:08]  Ahmad Hosho: we dont have a lot of people tonight.
  [18:08]  Moyra Ares: hi, sorry i have a slow download...so i apologize in advance when i disappear or react slow
  [18:09]  You: np Moyra
  [18:09]  Ahmad Hosho: k, np.
  [18:09]  You: happy to have you
  [18:09]  Ahmad Hosho: please have a seat
  [18:09]  Buffy Munro: i am just slow
  [18:09]  Buffy Munro: so i apologise now
  [18:09]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:09]  Ahmad Hosho: well our topic is: how did u surprise ur self in SL.
  [18:10]  Ahmad Hosho: and i am glad there are few people in this chapter
  [18:10]  Ahmad Hosho: so we can discuss it more lol
  [18:10]  Moyra Ares: :) i was suprised by the depth of some roleplaying stories...realy enjoyable sometimes :)
  [18:11]  Ahmad Hosho: oh like 1001?
  [18:11]  Moyra Ares: its like watching soap operas sometimes :)
  [18:11]  You: as I was mentioning it earlier, I have been enjoying intimitate conversations... meaning personal and in depth
  [18:11]  Moyra Ares: i dont know the roleplay in 1001...didnt had much chance to play there
  [18:11]  Ahmad Hosho: they closed it
  [18:11]  Ahmad Hosho: but talking with harla and some of them
  [18:12]  Ahmad Hosho: made me feel like the rp is really deep
  [18:12]  Moyra Ares: why?
  [18:12]  Ahmad Hosho: hmmmm
  [18:12]  Ahmad Hosho: i think when u react as a personality, for long time. u start to get part of it as a reality
  [18:12]  Ahmad Hosho: not reality as the word mean,s but at least ur feelings to it.
  [18:13]  You: hmmmm more ?
  [18:13]  Moyra Ares: yes i agree
  [18:13]  Moyra Ares: why did they close 1001?
  [18:13]  Ahmad Hosho: the builders want to make it a business and harla doesnt want that
  [18:13]  Ahmad Hosho: so she has taken her buildings in her inventory
  [18:13]  Moyra Ares: explain
  [18:14]  Ahmad Hosho: may be this surprised the builder about himself :)
  [18:14]  Ahmad Hosho: he built it for fun as i understand
  [18:14]  Ahmad Hosho: and then he met someone or some lady who started to tell him if he work on making games, she can bring RL companies to pay him in sl.
  [18:15]  Ahmad Hosho: and harla has transofoemed the owenrship of the sim for them as they pay the rent.
  [18:15]  Ahmad Hosho: harla didnt like the business idea, so she has taken the buildings in her inventory
  [18:16]  Moyra Ares: i see
  [18:16]  Ahmad Hosho: well
  [18:16]  Ahmad Hosho: i surprised my self in sl that i am not a business man :)
  [18:17]  Ahmad Hosho: buffy
  [18:17]  Buffy Munro: yes
  [18:17]  Ahmad Hosho: how did u surprise ur self in sl :)
  [18:17]  You: lol Ahmad... thought I'd jump right into building
  [18:17]  Buffy Munro: erm
  [18:17]  You: didn't expect the social aspect to be so prominent
  [18:17]  Ahmad Hosho: did sl has any surprise for u?
  [18:18]  Buffy Munro: nope, sl has no surprises for me, i know exactly what i want from sl and i get what i want
  [18:18]  Ahmad Hosho: hello gracie.
  [18:18]  Gracie Price: *waves*
  [18:18]  Moyra Ares: hi gracie
  [18:18]  Ahmad Hosho: living in a virtual world may help one learn something about himself, buffy.
  [18:18]  Ahmad Hosho: dont u agree? :)
  [18:18]  Buffy Munro: actually there is one thing
  [18:19]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:19]  Buffy Munro: and that is how attached to people i can become without really knowing them
  [18:19]  Ahmad Hosho: yes good point
  [18:19]  Buffy Munro: but actually i am like that in rl too
  [18:19]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:20]  Moyra Ares: you know the people in SL
  [18:20]  Moyra Ares: isnt that enough?
  [18:20]  Ahmad Hosho: to have some friends who u know and have friendship feelings to them, without knowing their RL names.
  [18:20]  Buffy Munro: yes it is weird really
  [18:20]  Ahmad Hosho: well moyra, sl, or rl. it is the same person.. just the inofmration are changed.
  [18:21]  Ahmad Hosho: may be the person in sl is more real than him in rl.
  [18:21]  Buffy Munro: yes that is true
  [18:21]  Buffy Munro: The Munro is much more confident than i am
  [18:21]  Gracie Price: I apologize...was helping a friend :-)
  [18:21]  Ahmad Hosho: np gracie
  [18:21]  Nath Jonesford is Online
  [18:21]  Ahmad Hosho: let me say sl gives a lot of freedom
  [18:21]  Ahmad Hosho: which makes u live in a different aspect of life
  [18:22]  Tycho Spyker: Hey guys, how goes it?
  [18:22]  Buffy Munro: maybe it is the way i really want to be
  [18:22]  You: welcome Tycho
  [18:22]  Ahmad Hosho: yes
  [18:22]  Ahmad Hosho: u are right
  [18:22]  Gracie Price smiles...I'm more like Gracie now...than I was when I first started SL...
  [18:23]  Ahmad Hosho: so according to that, when u have ur freedom, u have a chance to do a life u may be were not able to do in rl.
  [18:23]  Ahmad Hosho: everything here is possible by clicks.
  [18:23]  Buffy Munro: totally, i would never do the things in rl that the munro gets up to
  [18:23]  Gracie Price: so has that freedom challenged you Ahmad?
  [18:23]  Ahmad Hosho: Gracie yes
  [18:24]  Gracie Price: how so?
  [18:24]  Ahmad Hosho: good question gracie
  [18:24]  Ahmad Hosho: well
  [18:24]  Ahmad Hosho: first of all
  [18:24]  Ahmad Hosho: i got finally the chance to do other type of designs than graphics, web
  [18:24]  Ahmad Hosho: i got the chance to do fashion, architect, and industrial designs too.
  [18:25]  Ahmad Hosho: if i kept doing them in rl inside my room, i will never do them.. but here i do them and i get feedback and communciate
  [18:25]  Gracie Price: have you been challenged by the freedom ethically or morally?
  [18:25]  Ahmad Hosho: hey gracie, design is important to me more lol
  [18:25]  Ahmad Hosho: imagine u can make anything u didnt able to make in rl.
  [18:25]  Gracie Price: laughs i know
  [18:25]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:25]  Ahmad Hosho: i can put my suit in market with girogio armani!
  [18:26]  Ahmad Hosho: yes giorgio armani has a store in sl. and i sell my suit more expensive than him.
  [18:26]  Gracie Price looks at your suit, you think so???? hehe
  [18:26]  Buffy Munro: haha
  [18:26]  Gracie Price: I'm teasing honey ;_0
  [18:26]  Ahmad Hosho: np
  [18:26]  Ahmad Hosho: armani is the godfather of modern suit
  [18:26]  Ahmad Hosho: no way to break him :)
  [18:26]  Tycho Spyker: but what else does this freedom entail? a lot of times it seems to result in a lack of direction or purpose
  [18:26]  Ahmad Hosho: i mean if he is a him even
  [18:26]  Moyra Ares: ahmad...i think you did a great job..its worth what ever you charge
  [18:27]  Ahmad Hosho: thank u moyra
  [18:27]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:27]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho u have a point
  [18:27]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: i discovered at 3rd month in sl i have to have a specific plan for my life here.
  [18:27]  Tycho Spyker: i agree
  [18:28]  Tycho Spyker: i think in a way the unstructured environment of SL lends itself to a kind of laziness we can't get away with in RL
  [18:28]  Ahmad Hosho: and i decided to not repeat my life, i decided to do what i wanted to do in my rl and didnt has the chance to do it. / beside RP some of my movies heros like spiderman.
  [18:28]  Tycho Spyker: LOL
  [18:28]  Gracie Price: you mean as far as it not being a typical "game" with quests and such?
  [18:28]  Ahmad Hosho: well according to what i say, i need time to plan and draw in rl, and come to apply in sl.
  [18:29]  Ahmad Hosho: gracie: yes
  [18:29]  Ahmad Hosho: I RP spiderman for sometime, and designed his weapons with darling brody
  [18:29]  Ahmad Hosho: and ladies were meeting me in stores and says oh spiderman.
  [18:29]  Ahmad Hosho: and mothers kept taking pictures with me. lol
  [18:29]  Gracie Price: lol
  [18:30]  Ahmad Hosho: and i had some advantures with some mafias, and we were going to publish comics too.
  [18:30]  Ahmad Hosho: some SL news wrote about me stopping a griefing at some sim
  [18:30]  Tycho Spyker: mafias?
  [18:30]  Tycho Spyker: in SL or RL?
  [18:30]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: yes there are sl mafia
  [18:30]  Gracie Price wants to be a mafia princess
  [18:30]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: some of them are just RP, and some are griefing
  [18:30]  Tycho Spyker: i'm sure there are...
  [18:31]  Tycho Spyker: some of them control business interests as well
  [18:31]  Tycho Spyker: although there is the economic side here as well; if you are able to create something you can sell it
  [18:31]  Moyra Ares: i came here to earn money...and have fun...thats my goal
  [18:31]  Tycho Spyker: but there is a lot of competition
  [18:31]  Ahmad Hosho: Tycho: yes
  [18:31]  Ahmad Hosho: moyra and buffy are selling products in sl too
  [18:31]  Ahmad Hosho: how is the selling going moyra and buffy now adays?
  [18:31]  Buffy Munro: i want to be the greatest surfer on sl too lol
  [18:31]  Gracie Price: Ahmad, are you accomplishing both?
  [18:32]  Ahmad Hosho: just asking as they are in market
  [18:32]  Ahmad Hosho: i closed my shop from 4 months
  [18:32]  Ahmad Hosho: so i dont know enuf news :)
  [18:32]  Ahmad Hosho: enough*
  [18:32]  Ahmad Hosho: but i heared the market is going down lately
  [18:33]  Buffy Munro: the sale of custom surfboards is unbelievable
  [18:33]  Ahmad Hosho: in the end of the day: what are we buying in SL? we buy digital files.
  [18:33]  Tycho Spyker: do you think there is a saturation point, since most goods are "durable" in SL?
  [18:33]  Buffy Munro: ther sufring community is huge
  [18:33]  Buffy Munro: the*
  [18:33]  Ahmad Hosho: yes buffy this is the point.
  [18:33]  Ahmad Hosho: we sell iconogoraphies units to communciate with them.
  [18:33]  Tycho Spyker: i.e., even what would not be a durable good in RL can last as long as your inventory doesn't get deleted...
  [18:33]  Buffy Munro: the team that i ride for has 300 members alone
  [18:33]  Ahmad Hosho: the look and feel of the virtual surf can make u communciate in specific life style.
  [18:34]  Moyra Ares: a lot of competition...maybe...but i dont realy care about competition..because what i do is what i do...and its allways unique
  [18:34]  Gracie Price smiles...but someone is always going to make something better
  [18:34]  Gracie Price: so even i have a surfboard...i want the newest and best one
  [18:34]  Tycho Spyker: that's a good thing - if you believe in what you're doing, it doesn't matter if other people are competing
  [18:34]  Ahmad Hosho: moyra yes but in the end of the day, what we all sell here: visuals
  [18:34]  Tycho Spyker: as long as you have something to differentiate yourself
  [18:35]  Ahmad Hosho moves the dust from his tie
  [18:35]  Ahmad Hosho: you are right tycho
  [18:35]  Buffy Munro: hehe you can make it the best because you can have whatever design you want on it
  [18:35]  Ahmad Hosho: u mean ur surf board, buffy?
  [18:35]  Moyra Ares: we sell content...and yes for sure its visual...is this a bad thing?
  [18:35]  Ahmad Hosho: sometimes art gives the user what he never excepected.
  [18:35]  Ahmad Hosho: this applies to RL market too.
  [18:36]  Ahmad Hosho: a client can come and say i want that and this for my website, but if u show him ur ideas he can just say wow, it is better than what i thought.
  [18:36]  Ahmad Hosho: both are great i guess :)
  [18:36]  Ahmad Hosho: but the point what i try to ask u about is: isn't interesting the whole economy is trading in digital files.
  [18:36]  Tycho Spyker: that's a general rule in doing a creative type of business - to understand what your client wants
  [18:36]  Ahmad Hosho: didnt that surprise u?
  [18:37]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: it is right too.
  [18:37]  Ahmad Hosho: is my question clear? cause this really surprised me in sl
  [18:37]  Moyra Ares: people sell audio too, like songs ect ect
  [18:38]  Buffy Munro: no not clear to mee
  [18:38]  Buffy Munro: me*
  [18:38]  Tycho Spyker: i don't think that's a big departure from where we are in RL
  [18:38]  Tycho Spyker: we sell software, services, etc.
  [18:38]  Gracie Price: lol...i guess i wasn't surprised by it or I don't get the question
  [18:38]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:38]  Ahmad Hosho: Buffy: some people makes RL income in SL. like 2000 USD per month - i have a friend making this amount - isn't interesting that all s/he doing is making virtual buildings?
  [18:39]  Buffy Munro: yes
  [18:39]  Ahmad Hosho: in the end of the day the building here is just some information written in a specific way at some server.
  [18:39]  Tycho Spyker: that may seem surprising at first thought
  [18:39]  Ahmad Hosho: beside the lady who made 1 million english pound i guess.
  [18:39]  Gracie Price: who is your friend Ahmad?
  [18:39]  Tycho Spyker: but it's analogous to designing a website or something
  [18:39]  Gracie Price: can you divulge that information?
  [18:40]  Ahmad Hosho: Gracie: can't tell. as s/he told me that as a type of secret.
  [18:40]  Gracie Price: i see :-)
  [18:40]  Tycho Spyker: still, it's about constructing a presence
  [18:40]  Tycho Spyker: the same way as a brick and mortar business
  [18:40]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: yes same problem. but in sites we give a back up CD, and documents and contracts.. things are more stable.
  [18:40]  Tycho Spyker: an image and a location
  [18:41]  Tycho Spyker: true
  [18:41]  Tycho Spyker: and that's part of the issue here with the economy
  [18:41]  Ahmad Hosho: we also tend to back up websites too in case someone hacked them.
  [18:41]  Gracie Price: but who expects stability in a land where people fly?
  [18:41]  Tycho Spyker: is it all depends on people's trust in LL
  [18:41]  Tycho Spyker: LOL
  [18:41]  Ahmad Hosho: the thing which surprised me is
  [18:41]  Gracie Price: if they do...they are foolish
  [18:41]  Ahmad Hosho: if i really think the online future is for virtual worlds, will i trust an income from here?
  [18:42]  Ahmad Hosho: i still feel confused about this question.
  [18:42]  Tycho Spyker: i wouldn't, honestly, not for the long term
  [18:42]  Tycho Spyker: but there will be other virtual worlds
  [18:42]  Tycho Spyker: this is just the start of something much bigger
  [18:42]  Gracie Price: yes...but virtual worlds are expanding...and there are others...but not to the same degree as SL
  [18:42]  Gracie Price: SL is unique because the content is user created...
  [18:43]  Tycho Spyker: as soon as there is an open platform, where i can host an island on my own server, back up my data, etc.
  [18:43]  Tycho Spyker: then there will be a sense of stability
  [18:43]  Gracie Price: smiles...good point Tycho
  [18:43]  Tycho Spyker: and trust in the infrastructure
  [18:43]  Ahmad Hosho: mollie what is ur opinion about that?
  [18:43]  Moyra Ares: websites are vortual constructions too...and there is a whole industry with thousands of people earning their RL money with it
  [18:43]  Gracie Price: why trust LL? they really don't give us a reason to trust them
  [18:43]  Tycho Spyker: yes, exactly
  [18:44]  Tycho Spyker: and that's the difference between this and the web
  [18:44]  Ahmad Hosho: i hope we are not going to LL like how we went from dos to windows
  [18:44]  Tycho Spyker: can you imagine the web controlled by one company?
  [18:44]  Gracie Price: lol...D I S A S T E R
  [18:44]  Mlita Pennell: haallllooooo!!!
  [18:44]  Tycho Spyker: all transactions beholden to a single locked-down infrastructure
  [18:45]  Tycho Spyker: Hi Mlita
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: hi tycho
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: :)
  [18:45]  Gracie Price: HI Mlita
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: hi gracie
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: hi ahmad bizz
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: hi buffy & mollie & moyra
  [18:45]  Ahmad Hosho: hello milta how r u
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: ok it's 9am here .. sorry late hihi
  [18:45]  Buffy Munro: hi :)
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: go ahead with discussions
  [18:45]  Mlita Pennell: pls
  [18:46]  Ahmad Hosho: nice to see u milta
  [18:46]  Tycho Spyker: sorry, i was just ranting about the singular nature of SL
  [18:46]  Mlita Pennell: ty ahmad
  [18:46]  Ahmad Hosho: we speak about how SL has surprised u ?
  [18:46]  Mlita Pennell: ok tycho
  [18:46]  Ahmad Hosho: np
  [18:46]  Tycho Spyker: so that was one of the things that did surprise me
  [18:47]  Mlita Pennell: hmm.. not much about the human interaction or the technology aspect of SL
  [18:47]  Tycho Spyker: is that there is no outside connectivity, no distributed infrastructure
  [18:47]  Mlita Pennell: ahmad
  [18:47]  Ahmad Hosho: yes milta
  [18:47]  Mlita Pennell: but mainly my own personal reaction to SL ahmad
  [18:47]  Ahmad Hosho: i surpsised u milta?
  [18:47]  Ahmad Hosho: me??
  [18:47]  Ahmad Hosho: surprised*
  [18:47]  Mlita Pennell: lol ahmad yes numero uno lol
  [18:47]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:48]  Mlita Pennell: not hahah
  [18:48]  Ahmad Hosho: numero uno even?
  [18:48]  Buffy Munro: haha
  [18:48]  Ahmad Hosho: what is numero uno btw
  [18:48]  Gracie Price: hehe...he has a tendancy to do that
  [18:48]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:48]  Mlita Pennell: lol Numero Uno = No. 1
  [18:48]  Ahmad Hosho: i taught milta to smoke i guess
  [18:48]  Gracie Price: lmao
  [18:48]  Mlita Pennell: lolol yes ahmad.. positive influence in SL lol
  [18:48]  Ahmad Hosho: here u are what surprised me too
  [18:49]  Ahmad Hosho: get ready
  [18:49]  Mlita Pennell: lol ahmad
  [18:49]  Ahmad Hosho: i have been surprised at 3rd day
  [18:49]  Ahmad Hosho: that people are having jobs and taking this world so seriouse
  [18:49]  Ahmad Hosho: so i found my self i didnt take anything seriouse in my life lol
  [18:49]  Ahmad Hosho: well, that made me start to work seriosue here
  [18:50]  Ahmad Hosho: but later i thought: why to work seriosue in sl, while u can work seriosue in RL too
  [18:50]  Moyra Ares: lol...right...take something serious, even a game, and you can make something out of it
  [18:50]  Ahmad Hosho: i went back to RL and stopped SL for a while, and i really risen up my clients in these days.
  [18:50]  Mlita Pennell: too true Moyra
  [18:50]  Mlita Pennell: wb Mollie
  [18:50]  Ahmad Hosho: i came back to SL cause i have learn that in sl
  [18:50]  Ahmad Hosho: it seems connecting with people made me learn something from them
  [18:51]  You: thanks!
  [18:51]  Mlita Pennell: :))
  [18:51]  Tycho Spyker: nice -then it has enriched you life
  [18:51]  Ahmad Hosho: instead of living as a pharaoh
  [18:51]  Tycho Spyker: *your
  [18:51]  Mlita Pennell: lol ahmad
  [18:51]  Ahmad Hosho: yes mr.Spyker
  [18:51]  Ahmad Hosho: i always try to learn from others
  [18:51]  Mlita Pennell: well for me Sl is no different than in RL except that it is a represntation of RL in a microworld
  [18:51]  Ahmad Hosho: and here is a big box of others and great people ( i try to keep my self with good people as possible )
  [18:51]  Gracie Price: I would definitely say I was surprised when I came here that people got married and had babies!
  [18:52]  Mlita Pennell: so i am not surprised by what u said ..
  [18:52]  Ahmad Hosho: moyra surprised me too
  [18:52]  Mlita Pennell: lol Gracie..
  [18:52]  Tycho Spyker: Moyra: me too
  [18:52]  Mlita Pennell: lol Gracie
  [18:52]  Tycho Spyker: i still find that hard to comprehend
  [18:52]  Gracie Price: the marriage or the babies?
  [18:52]  Tycho Spyker: or was that Gracie?
  [18:52]  Tycho Spyker: sorry
  [18:52]  Tycho Spyker: both
  [18:53]  Mlita Pennell: as in Rl u have differnt preferences and likes/ dislikes... so same in SL
  [18:53]  Ahmad Hosho: marriage and all didnt surprise me
  [18:53]  Ahmad Hosho: may be cause i entered a stable sl family from first lol ( all married in sl and later they married the same in RL )
  [18:53]  Ahmad Hosho: my sl sister has married her sl husband in rl.
  [18:54]  Ahmad Hosho: same for my sl brother chief xi
  [18:54]  Mlita Pennell: what ppl forget sometimes.. SL is very much like RL in that it's all human emotions and interactions .. so evrythign we do in RL translates to SL ... except it's faster here in SL i find.
  [18:54]  Moyra Ares: im not suprised about this marriage thing
  [18:54]  Gracie Price: the marriage thing...for me...I connected to my partner from my 2nd day in SL...we were friends and committed to each other
  [18:54]  Tycho Spyker: yes, it is faster
  [18:54]  Mlita Pennell: oh cool gracie
  [18:54]  Ahmad Hosho: may sl is a good place to find a wife
  [18:54]  Ahmad Hosho: is a good place to have worser drama than it in RL.
  [18:55]  Tycho Spyker: i think because relationships form here on an intellectual level first
  [18:55]  Mlita Pennell: yes Tycho but .. it's 50/50 like in RL .. whether those human interactions in SL as in RL will last
  [18:55]  Mlita Pennell: no guarantees
  [18:55]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho: yes, and having a house and meeting socitey with her.. makes u test ur marriage.
  [18:55]  Tycho Spyker: no, definitely not
  [18:55]  Gracie Price: laughs...never
  [18:55]  Tycho Spyker: haha
  [18:55]  Mlita Pennell: lmao
  [18:55]  Ahmad Hosho: i will leave after 5 minutes btw, when the meeting is done :) just to not surprise u
  [18:56]  Ahmad Hosho lights his final cigar
  [18:56]  Gracie Price: guys...enjoyed the conversation...but I have a class to go to...I need to get smarter :-)
  [18:56]  Ahmad Hosho: oh one more thing: i finally can smoke here
  [18:56]  Mlita Pennell: lol ahmad.. beats smoking in rl
  [18:56]  Ahmad Hosho: something i would never do in RL, and have fun gracie.
  [18:56]  Mlita Pennell: lol gracie
  [18:56]  Gracie Price: Hugs Ahmad :-)
  [18:56]  Mlita Pennell: nice to meeet u gracie
  [18:56]  Ahmad Hosho: hugs gracie back
  [18:56]  Ahmad Hosho: please say hi to cal.
  [18:56]  Tycho Spyker: bye Gracie
  [18:57]  Tycho Spyker: nice to meet you
  [18:57]  Buffy Munro: bye gracie
  [18:57]  Gracie Price: will do...hehe...
  [18:57]  Gracie Price poofs out.
  [18:57]  Ahmad Hosho: i try to remember what surprised me too here, they were big list
  [18:57]  Ahmad Hosho: lol
  [18:58]  Mlita Pennell: lol
  [18:58]  Ahmad Hosho: hmmm let me tell u a point but i hope i dont offend any one
  [18:58]  Ahmad Hosho: dont look at me like that tycho, it doesnt mean u
  [18:58]  Ahmad Hosho: but i discovered men has less taste than women in clothes
  [18:58]  Mlita Pennell: i think my surprise is the ability to actually form a romantic relationship and actually taking it to rl and making it work in rl..
  [18:59]  Mlita Pennell: lol ahmad.. omg so true hahah
  [18:59]  Tycho Spyker: LOL
  [18:59]  Tycho Spyker: as always, in RL too
  [18:59]  Tycho Spyker: hahaha
  [18:59]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [18:59]  Mlita Pennell: lol buffy ..
  [18:59]  Ahmad Hosho: lol buffy yes
  [18:59]  Mlita Pennell: ahmad leads a sheltered life in rl buffy hahahahahah
  [18:59]  Ahmad Hosho: cause i found it is an international problem!
  [18:59]  Buffy Munro: hahaha
  [19:00]  Ahmad Hosho: but in a socitey full of designers it is like eh yeah no heavens.. we wear good..
  [19:00]  Mlita Pennell: not many good men designrs tho
  [19:00]  Ahmad Hosho: looking at the outer world made some sense.
  [19:01]  Mlita Pennell: even men designers go to producing women's clothing
  [19:01]  Ahmad Hosho: milta, sure there are .. but does men even care
  [19:01]  Mlita Pennell: nope that's the reason why
  [19:01]  Ahmad Hosho: man normally wears anything and says i am a man so what
  [19:01]  Mlita Pennell: but we women do .. u all look uggglie hahahahaah
  [19:01]  Buffy Munro: hahahaaha
  [19:01]  Buffy Munro: lmao
  [19:01]  Mlita Pennell: hihihi
  [19:01]  Ahmad Hosho: omg respect my suit mlita
  [19:02]  Buffy Munro: hahahah
  [19:02]  Ahmad Hosho: 200 L uploads
  [19:02]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [19:02]  Mlita Pennell: lolol ahmad.. of course u and tycho the exception .. *cough and nearly choke"
  [19:02]  Mlita Pennell: lol
  [19:02]  Buffy Munro: haha
  [19:02]  Ahmad Hosho: ah ok
  [19:02]  Mlita Pennell: hihi
  [19:02]  Mlita Pennell: kiddding
  [19:02]  Mlita Pennell: ur suit look great
  [19:02]  Ahmad Hosho moves the dust from his stylish jacket
  [19:02]  Buffy Munro: some girls like a guy to look rough and ready
  [19:02]  Ahmad Hosho: :P
  [19:02]  Tycho Spyker: i must say that fashion being such a big thing here surprised me
  [19:03]  Ahmad Hosho: tycho yes
  [19:03]  Mlita Pennell: lol buffy .. depends what ur asking them to do?
  [19:03]  Buffy Munro: haha
  [19:03]  Mlita Pennell: lift the furniture buffy or somthing else u care to share? lmao
  [19:03]  Ahmad Hosho: and the whole big gap between the men taste from america and the men taste from europe.. in regrads of fashion.
  [19:03]  Buffy Munro: i dont ask, is them asking what they can do for me
  [19:03]  Buffy Munro: lmao
  [19:03]  Mlita Pennell: true true buffy
  [19:03]  Ahmad Hosho: some americans are classy ofcours, i just speak about the mass.
  [19:03]  Mlita Pennell: well yes
  [19:03]  Mlita Pennell: european men in rl are more into their fashion
  [19:04]  Buffy Munro: are you kidding me
  [19:04]  Mlita Pennell: unless ur talking to US men who are either gay or metrosexual lol
  [19:04]  Buffy Munro: men i the uk dont care
  [19:04]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [19:04]  Tycho Spyker: haha
  [19:04]  Mlita Pennell: lol buffy .. come to london hahah ..
  [19:04]  Ahmad Hosho: because nothing bad in UK any way
  [19:04]  Buffy Munro: the minority care
  [19:04]  Tycho Spyker: in big metropolitan areas in the US, men tend to care more
  [19:04]  Ahmad Hosho: yep
  [19:04]  Mlita Pennell: it's annoying to date men that has more toiletries than u do lmao
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: lol
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: couldnt do that
  [19:05]  Mlita Pennell: fight for the bathroom is a pain lol
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: oh god no way!
  [19:05]  Ahmad Hosho: thank u all for
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: LOL
  [19:05]  Ahmad Hosho: allowing me to hang with u :)
  [19:05]  Ahmad Hosho: it is time for me to leave
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: manly man thank you
  [19:05]  Buffy Munro: hahah
  [19:05]  Tycho Spyker: :)
  [19:05]  Mlita Pennell: ty ahmad
  [19:05]  Sidda Leigh is Online
  [19:05]  Ahmad Hosho: ty tycho! :)
  [19:06]  Tycho Spyker: i have to be going as well
  [19:06]  Tycho Spyker: yw Ahmad
  [19:06]  Tycho Spyker: hope to catch the next chat
  [19:06]  Ahmad Hosho: yes me too tycho
  

3rd life meeting 2.0

• 3rd life group is honored to invite you to its 4th March meeting under the topic: Virtual Shyness!
• Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform's second meeting will concern this topic:
• " Why are we shy to tell people in real life what we learn about others in Second Life? "
• It is another way to see and explore our Second Life, and to talk while we dance with DJ background music by Whitney Vega at Bibi Cafe at 6pm - 7pm SLT.
• 
  

The following is the transcript, posted by Sidda, from this meeting:
[18:11] Ahmad Hosho: Welcome everyone to our 3rd life meeting!
[18:11] Ahmad Hosho: and we have a very nice topic today
[18:12] Ahmad Hosho runs topic: Second Life as a Cultural Exchange Platform's second meeting will concern this topic: " Why are we shy to tell people in real life
[18:13] Ahmad Hosho: When we asked people in latest meeting if they felt shy to explain what they learned about other cultres in Second Life, they adimited they were at times?
[18:13] You: do yall tell people you know that you come on SL? i dont lol
[18:13] Emmily Cortes: i do
[18:14] Mollie Serevi: I do but selectively
[18:14] Ahmad Hosho: so: What does secondlife look like to your society? Is it merely a sex place? Is it a money- making place? A Playground?
[18:14] Emmily Cortes: most of my friends play SL
[18:14] Mollie Serevi: and explain my reasons for coming here
[18:14] Thurgood Collas: peoples who havent experienced SL have a hard time conceiving of it
[18:14] You: i have told a couple but i dont generally
[18:14] You: all well that is diff emmily.....people i know dont understand it
[18:14] Ahmad Hosho: hello gracie, please have a seat :)
[18:14] Ahmad Hosho: all ur friends emmily are high tech, no?
[18:15] Thurgood Collas: some smile patronizingly and ask a questio or to then move on to the next subject
[18:15] Emmily Cortes: yes but i also talk openly about sl to anyone interested in comment
[18:15] You: hahaha yes thur
[18:15] Mollie Serevi: people I know only hear the worst about SL
[18:15] You: yes i would too if anyone wanted to hear info about it
[18:15] You: but the few that know of it ehar only of sex or gambling
[18:15] You: which gambling is gone
[18:15] Emmily Cortes: what is the worst to hear about SL?
[18:15] Mollie Serevi: right Sidda
[18:16] Gracie Price: or the CSI episode and think people come here and then get their throat slit *rolls eyes*
[18:16] Emmily Cortes: lol
[18:16] You: sex in sl...children roleplay...those are negatives people have heard
[18:17] Mollie Serevi: along with rl issues with sl
[18:17] You: i dont find anything here disturbing...however i am not interested in roleplaying as a child
[18:17] Mollie Serevi: as in marriages being desroyed
[18:17] You: yes molls but that can happen in mere chat
[18:17] Mollie Serevi: true
[18:17] Gracie Price: I'm not necessarily shy about talking SL...but people do look at me funny :-)
[18:17] You: yeah they do
[18:17] Mollie Serevi: and the kiddie thing is icky to me
[18:17] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: how u mean?
[18:17] Gracie Price: but that happens anyway
[18:17] You: mean what ahmad
[18:17] Gracie Price: :-)
[18:18] Ahmad Hosho: this happens in normal chat
[18:18] Emmily Cortes: sex pornography and marriages being destroyed in my opinion the issues were and are already present in RL
[18:18] Ahmad Hosho: u said something like that
[18:18] You: i agree with emmily
[18:18] You: that is what i meant
[18:18] Emmily Cortes: to blame SL for them is just a shift in blame
[18:18] Ahmad Hosho: good point emm
[18:18] You: not just sl on that issue
[18:18] You: yes
[18:18] Mollie Serevi: I must be the innocent around here
[18:18] Emmily Cortes: a major fault of not taking responsibility in the human race
[18:18] Eaton Honi: me too Mollie
[18:18] Eaton Honi: lol
[18:19] Ahmad Hosho: but emmily, we have do admit many couples has lost their wives, husbands in SL
[18:19] Gracie Price: no...Sidda is the completely innocent one ;-)
[18:19] Mollie Serevi: :) thanks Eaton...
[18:19] Ahmad Hosho: for a virtual relation
[18:19] Gracie Price: grins
[18:19] You: she is just saying that sl is not to blame for that....chat rooms and rl as well
[18:19] Emmily Cortes: but surely their problems were present long before the started to play sl
[18:19] Mollie Serevi: ok
[18:19] You: have done that..
[18:19] You: yes
[18:20] Emmily Cortes: a perfectly happy married person does not just come into a virtual world and through their rl away
[18:20] Eaton Honi: but marriages are also destroyed on MSN... i think that is waht SIdda meant about "mere chat"
[18:20] Mollie Serevi: yes that's a whole other topic
[18:20] You: yes
[18:20] Emmily Cortes: the problems must exist before
[18:20] You: yes eaton other venues not sl
[18:20] Ahmad Hosho keeps the current topic running: What does secondlife look like to your society? Is it merely a sex place? Is it a money- making place? A Playground?
[18:20] Emmily Cortes: you did not stand on my tail so all good here :)
[18:20] You: lol
[18:21] Mollie Serevi: for me it's a playground... got fairy wings the other day
[18:21] Mollie Serevi: :)
[18:21] You: i say all of the above for diff people...for me a playground
[18:21] Emmily Cortes: for me its a playground also and a place to meet people from all over the world
[18:21] Ahmad Hosho: we ask about ur socitey
[18:21] Thurgood Collas: I rememeber years ago
[18:21] You: exactly for me em
[18:21] Mollie Serevi: yes Emmily
[18:21] Ahmad Hosho: how ur socitey sees u if u say: i play or i communicate in SL.
[18:22] Gracie Price: for me...definitely a playground and somewhere to meet new people...and I've introduced friends to SL...who simply didn't get it...would rather go to myspace or facebook
[18:22] Mollie Serevi: I am very careful about what I say to whom about SL
[18:22] Ahmad Hosho pokes whit: a request: consider chopin a little please may be? :)
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: in many ways (and this has been my comments in the past) sl is just a glorified MSN
[18:22] Thurgood Collas: how people responded to Star Trek fans or players of the game Dungeons and Dragons, like it was something odd and well those people are just strange and out of it, in terms of the Real World
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: a way of communication
[18:22] You: with dolls
[18:22] Tanya Rubble: I don't mention SL to many people
[18:22] Emmily Cortes: yes sidda
[18:22] Tanya Rubble: Most don't get it
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: well
[18:23] Emmily Cortes: i talk my friends into sl
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: SL is not famouse here acutally
[18:23] Mollie Serevi: Emm... my friends would never consider it
[18:23] Ahmad Hosho: but for those who spoke about it, they have taken it very seriouse
[18:23] Emmily Cortes: uneducated opinions i care not for so i talk them into trying it before making judgements
[18:24] Emmily Cortes: the negative opinions placed by the uneducated are a fantastic insite to their own happiness in my opinion
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: we found with a company we deal with, that we know an egyptian engineer studied virtual worlds from some time, may be 2 years? and he built in SL an egyptian tomb and hided it
[18:24] Gracie Price: as far as the people that you've talking into trying SL...have they stuck around and enjoyed it?
[18:24] You: why hide it?
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: the information i got about it was like: virtual world as a high techology
[18:24] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: he was just applying his studies
[18:25] Emmily Cortes: people that dont like sl should focus on world piece as we have more piece in this virtual world then any rl
[18:25] Emmily Cortes: i think people could learn alot from sl
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: sidda: he applied the technical part, but he didnt use it as a communication tool.
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: they think it is better left for visual communcation experts to design the communication tools correctly
[18:25] Ahmad Hosho: at least for egypt
[18:25] You: yes that is a good point....i have learned so much from other cultures and as i was saying before......when i think of the friends i have made from those countries...i think of them and their culture with affection now rather than just being ignorant of them
[18:26] Emmily Cortes: exactly sidda
[18:26] Thurgood Collas: nods
[18:26] Mollie Serevi: I agree Sidda
[18:26] Gracie Price smiles
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: yes but still
[18:26] You: it is an excellent tool for learning about one another in a fun setting
[18:26] Tanya Rubble: I agree
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: when i speak about my american professor in USA who i know in SL, someone answeres that doesnt count :P
[18:26] Mollie Serevi: ? really?
[18:26] Ahmad Hosho: it is not accurate information, may be he is a 12 years old kid playing with some avatar
[18:27] Mollie Serevi: *eyeroll* as if you wouldn't know
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: yes i hear things like that when i telll information from SL. from some people
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: but not all.
[18:27] You: in fact...when i first tried the internet years back i was so excited that i had a window on the world...but chat rooms left me cold because all they talked about were mundane topics or sex
[18:27] Emmily Cortes: so with then this person would discredit a email too? could be a 12 year old sending it
[18:27] You: but when i found SL...things were diff
[18:27] Gracie Price: well your friends don't give you credit for being able to discern the difference b/t a 12 year and someone educated?
[18:27] Mollie Serevi: omg Sidda my first chatroom was Parents R Us on AOL
[18:27] Ahmad Hosho: well, they are a lot.
[18:27] Emmily Cortes: sl accounts are harder to crack than any email account
[18:28] You: well we all know one must be careful on the net but that does not mean it cannot be takn seriously
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: and to be honest.. yes many people are lying behind their avatars.
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: oh god yes Ahmad
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: oh many hosho indeed
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: first hand knowledge there
[18:28] You: indeed yes but u cannot distrust everyone
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: i am the same person in rl as sl by character
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: take an example, a girl i know.. i found hera man later .. lol
[18:28] Mollie Serevi: no I trust before I distrust
[18:28] Emmily Cortes: but i have met many that are not
[18:28] You: as am i em....
[18:28] Ahmad Hosho: i told that already
[18:29] Mollie Serevi: lol Ahmad
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: oh this memory kills me
[18:29] Gracie Price: well certainly they are...but you get to know people and who is honest or not...they reveal themselves whether they mean to or not
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: Gracie, yes .. oh well
[18:29] Emmily Cortes: lol hosho stats read that 40% of female avs are in fact actually driven by men
[18:29] You: lolol
[18:29] Gracie Price: hehe
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: yes and i met a trans gendered
[18:29] Mollie Serevi: yey well I'm the real deal
[18:29] Thurgood Collas: smiles at Mollie
[18:29] Tanya Rubble: HI Zyanede
[18:29] Ahmad Hosho: met 2 of them so far
[18:29] Emmily Cortes: i have known 8 female friends that are actually men
[18:30] Tanya Rubble: me too!
[18:30] Emmily Cortes: but they are open about it
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: good point emmily
[18:30] Eaton Honi: thats disturbing
[18:30] You: yes i have a female friend that is a guy and he is very open even states it on his profile
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: yes i have met 2
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: not talking about those
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: i talk about who is not open :)
[18:30] You: right
[18:30] Mollie Serevi: I have a friend with a female avi... but he's the exception
[18:30] Ahmad Hosho: or like many kids entering SL and play as adults.
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: i had posted an article about SL: Quakers in SL on the bulletin board n my real life Quaker Meeting
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: practice safe sl sex does not mean wearing a condom it means being sure of the sex and age of your partner
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: and I sometimes mentioned it and refered to it.
[18:31] Mollie Serevi: oooh Emmily
[18:31] Gracie Price laughs at Emmily :-)
[18:31] You: what do they think of it thurgood
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: it was up for about 6 months. SOmeone recently took it down.
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: well its true
[18:31] You: did anyone try?
[18:31] Emmily Cortes: i do not use sl for sex at all tho
[18:31] Thurgood Collas: I go to Quaker Meeting in SL on Saturday sometimes, and on Sunday in RL most Sundays
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: please dont forget to tip our life orchestra dj: whitney vegas.
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: thurgood, can we have a link to ur article?
[18:32] Whitney Vega's Tipping Pic: Thanks for the tip!
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: no one joined SL and told me they did
[18:32] Emmily Cortes: for me is meeting and making friends, music and combat
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: and I din tel the name of my avatar
[18:32] Whitney Vega gives a big thanks to Sidda for the tip
[18:32] Thurgood Collas: though I would have if anyone had asked.
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho pets on emm head
[18:32] Ahmad Hosho: good girl
[18:32] You: wink
[18:32] Emmily Cortes: Rawr
[18:32] You: lol
[18:33] Gracie Price: how come you didn't tell the name of your AVI?
[18:33] You: <<<>>>
[18:33] Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: How do you think the Lindens want Second Life to appear to the media? Is SL promoted differently to the public than they intend? How so? Linden Lab also promotes SL as a business op for many.
[18:33] You: he did tell
[18:33] Gracie Price: oops...GP re-reads the log :-)
[18:33] Ahmad Hosho: [18:33] Gracie Price: how come you didn't tell the name of your AVI? because it is written over my head? :)
[18:33] You: he typoed
[18:33] You: lol
[18:33] Thurgood Collas: I would have done that oneoon one , Gracie
[18:34] You: in RL ahmad
[18:34] Raven Bechir is Offline
[18:34] Gracie Price gives Ahmad the look...smartass :-)
[18:34] You: so ur friends at church are polite but change the subject thur? lol
[18:34] Thurgood Collas: but no body was that interested , UNLESS they are actully on SL anonymously and sitting next to me in RL in Meeting
[18:34] Ahmad Hosho: ;)
[18:34] You: lol thur
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: but they wouldn't admit that, thur
[18:35] Emmily Cortes: i believe sl is a possible business opportunity but not to survive on in rl
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: some might
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: I agree Emmily
[18:35] Ahmad Hosho: so u agree of SL as a big business box?
[18:35] Pablo Quintus is Offline
[18:35] You: sure ahmad why not
[18:35] You: more than that of course but sure
[18:35] Emmily Cortes: you will not buy a house on a city river on sl income
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: I have met people at Quaker events who I know in SL
[18:35] Tanya Rubble: It has potential, just the the internet in the beginning
[18:35] Thurgood Collas: and they are not that different in SL and RL
[18:35] You: yes i have met several people in RL from SL
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: yes me also
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: I guess I'm too new
[18:36] You: meeting a friend from Poland this summer
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: I can't imagine meeting someone in RL from SL
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: oh its great
[18:36] Gracie Price: why not Tanya?
[18:36] You: oh its fun....we are just like our avatars lolol
[18:36] Thurgood Collas: I think I would be more reluctant to have other SL spheres of activity overlap between Sl and RL, the Quaker things is distinct
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: yes sidda
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: thats so right
[18:36] You: lol yes
[18:36] Tanya Rubble: like I said, maybe I'm too new
[18:36] Emmily Cortes: if you choose the right friends
[18:36] Whitney Vega jumps in the conversation, I met my rl fiance here in sl lol
[18:37] Pablo Quintus is Online
[18:37] Gracie Price: `*~*`WooT WooT`*~*`
[18:37] Tanya Rubble: I guess I don't know anyone well enough yet
[18:37] You: whit :):)
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: thats great whitney
[18:37] Ahmad Hosho: oh i thought i am open enough about my self lol
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: many marriages have formed in rl from sl meetings
[18:37] Eaton Honi: thats amazing Whit
[18:37] Ahmad Hosho: Ahmad.. owns a jeans pants in RL and SL
[18:37] Whitney Vega: =]
[18:37] Tanya Rubble: I would worry that they might have lied and misrepresented themselves
[18:37] You: lol ahmad
[18:37] Emmily Cortes: as is the same for world or warcraft and other virtual worlds
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: emmily yes but wow is a game :) SL is not
[18:38] Gracie Price: well you don't just go from SL to RL...i think you work your way into it...to the phone...cam...etc
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: wow is not all game
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: i hear people dies infront of WOW while they plays
[18:38] Tanya Rubble: yes, right, Gracie
[18:38] Whitney Vega: yes thats what we did Gracie
[18:38] You: its social too
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: i have many friends from wow and i play a similiar role in sl
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: well u know better emmily ofcours
[18:38] Emmily Cortes: as you can see im not human in sl :)
[18:38] Ahmad Hosho: but still things are different here.
[18:38] You: great avi em
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: ty :)
[18:39] Ahmad Hosho: here there are formal embassies
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: yes hosho true
[18:39] Whitney Vega: we're going to lose music for a min.. my pc locked up
[18:39] Thurgood Collas: meow!
[18:39] Ahmad Hosho: it is something interestes the UN the most, if embassies are in SL, that means it is an exception.
[18:39] Emmily Cortes: Rawr
[18:39] You: lol
[18:39] Gracie Price: lol and NASA :-)
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: well lets say an embassy of sweden in SL
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: that means sweden tell: part of it's land is virtual.
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: which means .. when u enter sweden sim, u are considered inside the sweden itself.
[18:40] You: that is interesting
[18:40] Emmily Cortes: correct
[18:40] Ahmad Hosho: sweden*
[18:41] You: great even
[18:41] Abel Halderman is Offline
[18:41] Emmily Cortes: each sim has its covenant so why should that not reflect a country
[18:41] Gracie Price: I believe the same is true of Tuscany...sponspored actually by Tuscana
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: and in regards of that all international laws of this part will apply.
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: Emmily that's how a government came inside a virtual world.
[18:41] Ahmad Hosho: applies too on Denmark and Poland.
[18:41] You: sorry eaton lol...was changin ao
[18:42] Gracie Price: hehe...i though you hopped in his lap :-)
[18:42] Ahmad Hosho: but what i am sure is Sweden has announced the first embassy for the country at 2007 in a virtual world.
[18:42] You: lol
[18:42] Mollie Serevi: I heard about Estonia today
[18:42] Emmily Cortes: yes but if you do not like this then isnt it just easy to not visit those sims rather than dissrespect their laws?
[18:42] Gracie Price: ooops
[18:43] Emmily Cortes: hehe Gracie
[18:43] Ahmad Hosho: Emmily, i dont say i dont like them, i say SL is different than WOW and other virtual worlds in certain things.
[18:43] Gracie Price takes her seat...
[18:43] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree that it is
[18:43] You: lol
[18:43] Ahmad Hosho: there is one reason to attract such places in here, to my own humble point of view: the old need of human to communicate.
[18:44] Gracie Price: well and to make money for LL
[18:44] Thurgood Collas: I agree Ahmad
[18:44] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree too
[18:44] Ahmad Hosho: Gracie, Danish people are paying their taxs in SL now.
[18:45] Ahmad Hosho: the danish people told that today at first meeting.
[18:45] You: i didnt know that ahmad
[18:45] You: i missed that
[18:45] Gracie Price: as long as they are bringing in the $$ paying the exhorbitant prices for a server to LL...they help us maintain our existence here too
[18:45] Emmily Cortes: how is this being declared hosho
[18:45] Emmily Cortes: how do they know how much they make to tax?
[18:46] Ahmad Hosho: Nizzy Lusch is the danish lady in the other meeting can answere ofcours, and kisso is working in the swedish embassy, i will bring u her full name.
[18:46] Ahmad Hosho: they would answere better than me :)
[18:46] Emmily Cortes: be very hard to define a taxable income in sl when under the single ip address one can create many alts that money could be shifted to
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho: verfied alt?
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho: ;)
[18:47] Emmily Cortes: if you earn sl income you can move it to another av
[18:47] Emmily Cortes: how would they accurately know how much to tax on sl earnings
[18:47] Ahmad Hosho: well i still dont know about the technial part, but if i were them, i will only accept money from verfied avatars.
[18:48] Ahmad Hosho: well, emmily, they pay their RL taxs in SL.
[18:48] Emmily Cortes: yes
[18:48] Gracie Price: several months ago...LL made it available so that you can use your virtual land as a tax write off...which i thought was hilarious (unless you are registered as a business...how is the gov't going to know who Gracie Price is)???
[18:48] Ahmad Hosho: and if they sell lindens, she told they pay another type of taxes.
[18:49] Emmily Cortes: right ok i did not know that
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: well i still say: verfied accounts are telling lindens who u are.
[18:49] You: that is pretty interesting that paying taxes in sl
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: verified*
[18:49] Ahmad Hosho: those who put a correct payment info.
[18:49] Gracie Price: LL might know...but the government?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: well, ofcours LL would tell who u are if it is working on a system.
[18:50] Emmily Cortes: every av can be verified tho through an ip address ? and key ?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: can't see u will be private from ur own government.
[18:50] Gracie Price: that would seem to be a violation of terms of service, no?
[18:50] Ahmad Hosho: emmily: through the payment information
[18:51] Gracie Price: i digress...i think we are wayyyy off topic now? what were we talking about?
[18:51] Emmily Cortes: lol
[18:51] You: ahmad next question?
[18:52] Ahmad Hosho: we are in topic, we talk about how lindens want Second life to appear to the media.
[18:52] Ahmad Hosho: discussing things like embassies, business, and taxs paid, gives some salt and pepper to the talk i guess.
[18:52] Emmily Cortes: brb im sorry phone
[18:53] Ahmad Hosho: cause it show some governments taking SL more seriosue that some socities
[18:53] Gracie Price: i think they certainly want to show off the glamourous...I made a million selling virtual land AVI like Ansche Chung and Pontiac girl, Callie Cline :-)
[18:54] Ahmad Hosho: lol nice point too.
[18:54] Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SL for the public?
[18:54] Mollie Serevi: I don't know what you mean about "most people" Ahmad
[18:54] You: it can be a game if u choose...or not
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: I think it's a defense mechanism
[18:54] Tanya Rubble: a way to say, I don't want to talk about my RL with you
[18:54] Mollie Serevi: Ihaven't noticed that
[18:55] You: if u set ur own goals
[18:55] Gracie Price: SL is certainly not a game to me. My emotions are Gracie's emotions.
[18:55] You: same here gracie
[18:55] Tanya Rubble: I don't think they really mean it's a game, like other video games
[18:55] Ahmad Hosho: but why do u need to tell something like that?
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: me too Gracie
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: I don't Ahmad
[18:55] Mollie Serevi: SL is not a game for me
[18:55] Gracie Price: I have learned alot about myself from Gracie though...as far as defining who I am and articulating it
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: not u particuallry mollie, i mean most people do any way :)
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: yes I know :)
[18:56] Thurgood Collas: Sl is not a game to me, though I sometimes meet avatars who think of it such
[18:56] You: how do they thur?
[18:56] Ahmad Hosho: i dont do too, but isnt interesting to redfine something we already supposed to know?
[18:56] Mollie Serevi: but I thougth your question was leading.... haven't noticed that eveyone says it's a game
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: oh, i hope i am not the only one who noticed it ;)
[18:57] Mollie Serevi: might be interesting to survey
[18:57] You: i have seen lots of people ;s profiles say its only a game
[18:57] Gracie Price: I don't generally look at the first life tab...it's usually nonsense and nothing about the first life anyway
[18:57] Vivid Nikolaidis is Offline
[18:57] Ahmad Hosho: a poll in http://hosho.blogspot.com is running asking if SL is a game or not a game.
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: But if you are looking at the 1st life tab, you want to know something about thier first life
[18:58] Gracie Price grins at the shameless plug for his blog :-)
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: 85% so far said it is not a game
[18:58] Tanya Rubble: and some don't want to share anything
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes this is the point Tanya :)
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: less than 40 people though right?
[18:58] Ahmad Hosho: yes mollie :)
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: I have nothing on my first life tab right now but I have in the past
[18:58] Thurgood Collas: Susally neewbies of hours or days dureation, maybe thinknf of it like an online game with rules and competition
[18:58] Mollie Serevi: depends on my mood
[18:59] You: hello ohlooka
[18:59] Lauranne Theas is Offline
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: bk
[18:59] You: wb
[18:59] Emmily Cortes: ty :)
[18:59] Allenclive Beaumont is Offline
[18:59] Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SL are as they are in RL?
[18:59] You: as i said earlier today...sl is idealistic in lots of ways
[19:00] Gracie Price: as far as the environment or the interaction between others?
[19:00] Ahmad Hosho: all i guess.
[19:00] Emmily Cortes: Experts, however, have found most recently that feelings that people have online -- connections with other virtual characters, loss, friendship, and even love -- are in fact real emotions, and humans don't have the ability to switch off between what they feel on- and off-line. ~The Wall St. Journal~ About Second Life
[19:00] Tanya Rubble: I would say that is largely true
[19:01] Mollie Serevi: have to run... thanks everyone
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: i discovered than from 2 years lol
[19:01] Thurgood Collas: that is very true Emily
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: my emotions are Tanya's
[19:01] Tanya Rubble: bye Mollie
[19:01] Ahmad Hosho: ok mollie bye :)
[19:01] Emmily Cortes: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: bye bye Molls :):)
[19:01] Eaton Honi: bye Mollie
[19:01] You: i totaly agree with that em yes
[19:01] You: totally even
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: yes i can not see how anyone could not
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: well when someone dates a girl in SL, should it be a real date then? /me smiles inoccently
[19:02] You: what do u mean a real date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: i value my online friendships as real as any rl friendships
[19:02] You: yes me too em
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: like hmmm i donno
[19:02] You: sure i think its a real date
[19:02] Ahmad Hosho: a date, sidda, a date
[19:02] Emmily Cortes: hosho!
[19:03] You: if u both make plans to meet sure
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: she asked
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: lol
[19:03] Whitney Vega: Thank you so much Gracie
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: it is the same and not the same
[19:03] Gracie Price: lol...yes!!!
[19:03] Emmily Cortes: lol
[19:03] You: its ok emm ima pinch him
[19:03] Lance Lubezki is Online
[19:03] Gracie Price: YW Whitney
[19:03] Emmily Cortes: :)
[19:03] Ahmad Hosho: how so thur, cause it normally confuses me lol sorry
[19:03] Thurgood Collas: th e texting can make it more intense
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: in SL people might be less inhibited or guarded than on an RL date
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I think I agree with you Thur
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes i agree too
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: I never thought about it that way
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: since they are in the comfort of their own home usually
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: some people have said to me
[19:04] You: and yes if i agree to spend time with someone in SL....i certainly take it serioulsy
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: but at the same time, we can be more open without fear
[19:04] Tanya Rubble: Me too, Sidda
[19:04] Ahmad Hosho: thur: yes, and dont have to work hard to look sharp too
[19:04] Gracie Price: but if you ask someone on a date...you should go on a date...to a live concert, to dancing, to a virtual dinner even
[19:04] Emmily Cortes: yes and for example i have several online friends that suffer from social phobia in rl
[19:04] Thurgood Collas: I havent talked like this with anyone since the dorms in collge
[19:05] You: lol ahmad
[19:05] You: rofl thur
[19:05] You: yes its very easy to get close
[19:05] Tanya Rubble: That is a good analogy, Thur
[19:05] You: for one thing we have the common thread of being on SL lolol
[19:05] Ahmad Hosho: well it is the same to me in RL or SL lol i am already a nut any way. but i just want to know if there is a different, so i can consider that in future
[19:05] You: yes u uare a nut
[19:05] You: we agree there
[19:05] Gracie Price laughs

3rd life 2

This is the first meeting we had on the 4th. :)

florenze Kerensky: hello analee
Ahmad Hosho: hello analee :)
You: heya
AnaLee Springvale: Hello everyone
Barney Boomslang: hey analee
Nizzy Lusch: Nahm Nahm Nahm!
Barney Boomslang: hi nizzy
Ahmad Hosho: hello nizzy!
Nizzy Lusch: Hi everybody!!! :D :D :D
You: hey nizzy!
Nizzy Lusch: How's it going?
florenze Kerensky: hi nizzy :)
Ahmad Hosho: very good :)
Ahmad Hosho: i think we can start now
Nizzy Lusch: Ooh, nice bird
Nizzy Lusch: Haha
AnaLee Springvale: :)

Ahmad Hosho writes the current topic: When we asked people in latest meeting if they felt shy to explain what they learned about other cultres in Second Life, they adimited they were at times?
Nizzy Lusch looks in Ahmad's pockets
Ahmad Hosho: Yes, that happened, people told they are shy to admit they learn some visual information through SL.
Ahmad Hosho: do u feel same?
Nizzy Lusch: I'm not sure, it seems a bit vague?
florenze Kerensky: hi saysha :)
AnaLee Springvale: I"m not shy at all
AnaLee Springvale: lol
Ahmad Hosho: ^^
Nizzy Lusch: What do you mean by visual information?
Saysha Riggles: hello i made it!
Ahmad Hosho: it is information u get by visuals. for an example most communcation here is non verbal
Barney Boomslang: hey saysha
Ahmad Hosho: u are welcome
Nizzy Lusch: Well, in general I'm not shy to apply things I learn in SL elsewhere, if that's what you mean
Ahmad Hosho: what i mean is: for an example if u visit the polish sim, u learn things about polish cultre.
You: im not, but i dont really say i got it from sl
Nizzy Lusch: haha
Ahmad Hosho: what if i speak about it in RL, will i just admit it is something i have been taught through SL.
Ahmad Hosho: lol like lab
You: i wouldnt
Ahmad Hosho: why not
Ahmad Hosho: hmm i would with some people, and may wouldn't with others
Saysha Riggles: this has to be the most diverse environment ive been in
You: im not sure why not
Ahmad Hosho: well, sometimes i told people about things i have learn online, and when they ask where did u get this information, they doesn't like the word " online " that much
Ahmad Hosho: and now when u say i got it from " secondlife " they just look to me in doubt, and say ok.
Ahmad Hosho: something like " good luck "
Nizzy Lusch: lol
Barney Boomslang: well, I am a nutcase, so whether I tell people I learned it on SL or I heard it from a garden gnome, they won't be surprised at all and usually just ignore it ;)
Barney Boomslang: but I guess many people still have problems taking internet or online worlds serious as a way to distribute knowledge or as a learning/teaching environment
Saysha Riggles: it is great for people of many colors & religions to come together even if its online
Nizzy Lusch: Like quoting wikipedia about a subject
florenze Kerensky: i can relate to barney... most of my rl friends think me odd to start
You: hehe wikipedia
florenze Kerensky: but i have noticed the more i talk bout SL and vr... the less odd people think bout it.
Ahmad Hosho: well wikipedia is a good resource too lab. but not like how u find someone from the place talks to u
florenze Kerensky: now i have people coming to tell me when they see things bout sl on tv. and they seem prouud that they know of it and THEIR friends don't know
Saysha Riggles: anyone can change info in wiki
Ahmad Hosho: there are things i thought about many places, SL has corrected the information i got about
Barney Boomslang: well, wikipedia has something SL doesn't: a modifying discurse on things. with Wikipedia, you have multiple points of view that converge on a topic and get some kind of compromise on it.
You: yes it is better to talk to actul people from there
Barney Boomslang: with SL you mostly have the point of view of the builder and that's more or less it
Nizzy Lusch: Well, I juts mean it has to be taken with a grain of salt, because the source isn't always reliable. But that goes for everything, even professional news media
Saysha Riggles: right
Barney Boomslang: for example: don't get your idea about amsterdam from the amsterdam sims. there is far more than just the red light district to that city ;)
Ahmad Hosho: well the information is not just something told by type
florenze Kerensky: truee nizzy... and to say one learns bout polish culture from just one person in sl is something to be taken with a grain of salt also
Ahmad Hosho: what impresses me firstly when i entered SL, i saw an underground club, and i really found it very close to a real life one, and i found people act there in a way very close to RL western way too.
Ahmad Hosho: helo bringitonn, current topic: When we asked people in latest meeting if they felt shy to explain what they learned about other cultres in Second Life, they adimited they were at time
Saysha Riggles: i tend to stick my foot im my mouth alot
You: because maybe other people who dont play prob wouldt take me seriously if said fro sl

Ahmad Hosho runs the second question: What does secondlife look like to your society? Is it merely a sex place? Is it a money- making place? A Playground?
Saysha Riggles: all of the above
Nizzy Lusch: The two first, here
Bringiton Paine: to me SL is like a dirty little secret, when it comes to non internet folk family/friends
Ahmad Hosho: what do u mean bringiton?
Saysha Riggles: dont ask dont tell?
Bringiton Paine: simply because they have no conception of making ffriends online and how people on the internet can be important to you
Bringiton Paine: they think theyre just net people, theyre not real friends
Barney Boomslang nods at bringiton "not dirty secret, but something I don't talk too much about"
Barney Boomslang: mostly because family won't grasp the concept
Bringiton Paine: and the fear of being labelled
Nizzy Lusch: A collegue of mine asked me about it today. He said somthing like - Is that Second Life still around? It was all over the media for a short while and now nobody talks about it
Bringiton Paine: " get a real life" kinda thing
Barney Boomslang: different with friends, though - most of them are longtime internet users, so it's easy with the
Bringiton Paine: i do heaps in sl, when my rl friends ask what i have ben up to , i say ,, ummm nuthin. rather thren try to explain this world to them
You: hehe yeah
Barney Boomslang: but I think most people around here still throw SL in the same basket as WoW or things like that - see it as pure games. at least unless they see it themselves, then they might notice a difference.
Bringiton Paine: because they will judge me as recluse, not with reality , not in the real world, etc
You: true barney
Ahmad Hosho: well, i was a speaker at a smallvisual communcation in some visual communcation event, and when i talk about SL it was like most people didnt know it. just some people said: it is not a match for WOW game.
Saysha Riggles: interesting
florenze Kerensky: i've been traveling virtual worlds for over 8 years now... i lost my shyness a long time ago :)
Saysha Riggles: have you ever run into a RL freind?
Barney Boomslang: but actually I prefer them think of SL as a game. they have far less problems with a compulsive gamer as they would have with someone who lives part of his life in a online world ;)
Bringiton Paine: cos i still see lost people lol
You: i dont see it as a game
Ahmad Hosho: Barney: you mean u want some people to think about SL as a game?
You: just an online world
Bringiton Paine: the thing is, for instance, my gf has a 35 yr old bf who does nuthing but play playstation all day , and i think of him as a useless so and so
Bringiton Paine: i often say to myself, this is no better
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I prefer them to th ink like that if they have no idea what SL is, yes. because gamers are more accepted than people living a second life.
Bringiton Paine: i am no better
Barney Boomslang: if they are actually inworld, I p refer them to drop that silly idea of SL-as-a-gam e, of course ;)
Saysha Riggles: this is not a game this is SL like RL
Bringiton Paine: i dont think people consider it just a game, or playing, after they have made a friend or connected with someone i think thats when it becomes real
You: does make it easier to explain, but id rather just not say and not have to
Ahmad Hosho: from few days i suggested for an egyptian band to broad cast music in SL, but the manager said: we will see, virtual world scares me.. because it is too virtual. ( i am not sure i got what he means, but may be u guys has a word to tell about it, he is a canadian btw )
Barney Boomslang: saysha: yes, for me, too. but well, I tried to tell my parents what it is that I do in here. I finally just found out it is damn hard to do that with people who have no idea what internet is to start with :)
Bringiton Paine: amen
Bringiton Paine: to that
Saysha Riggles: my bf thinks its weird but i told him we could do business and advertise, then he perked up
Bringiton Paine: they look at yu like yu have some kind of syndrome or disease lol
Bringiton Paine: they assume that because yu play inworld, that yu dont function proper in rl
Bringiton Paine: look at yu as if yu are broken
Ahmad Hosho: i see many business forms are entering SL from start of 2007
Barney Boomslang: bringiton: well, in my case they just smile and nod and hope all is ok ;)
You: yeah
Bringiton Paine: lol
Bringiton Paine: i figure the only people i have to explain myself to , or concentrate on , is the people who live under my roof. the rest can think what they like
Saysha Riggles: this is global i saw on tv that they are trying to figure out a way for big companies to profit & maybe tax this place
You: that would suck lol
Saysha Riggles: LOL yeah
Ahmad Hosho: oh well, business and taxes again, isn't that kills the fun here ;)
Nizzy Lusch: haha
You: but that be lke taxing the internet?
Bringiton Paine: yeah,lol yu just watch the interest rates on houses rise now and rentals increase , it will become so much like RL we will need to go to RL to escape the stress from SL lolol
Nizzy Lusch: Only two things in life are certain. Death and taxes.
You: LOL
Saysha Riggles: they figure out because its international
Ahmad Hosho: i hear danish people can pay taxs in sl now adays?
Ahmad Hosho: something i have hear in RL lol
Bringiton Paine: that peacock is a person! hi i thought yu were decoration sorry had my back to yu
Barney Boomslang: lol, yes, in SL even peacocks can be people :)
florenze Kerensky: hi
florenze Kerensky: :)
Ahmad Hosho: what else can danish do in SL, nizzy? is there something like e virtual government?
Barney Boomslang: (and aliens, too)
Bringiton Paine: most beautiful av ive ever seen well done
Ahmad Hosho: lol barney
Saysha Riggles: the only thing that scares me sbout SL is that children could be in here
Nizzy Lusch: No no... Just the Danish IRS getting a small setup in a sim. Mostly with posters saying "Don't cheat in tax"
Ahmad Hosho: we too analee
Barney Boomslang: saysha: well, they not only "could be in here", they most definitely are.
Saysha Riggles: bad not good at all
Barney Boomslang: it's only natural. the more parents hang in here, the more kids will look at it, too
Saysha Riggles: true
Bringiton Paine: i get even nervous when i meet teenagers, like 18 , 19, i feel they are bait in here, just sitting ducks
Ahmad Hosho: this is smart note barney
Bringiton Paine: because they feel so invincible and grown up but theyre so ,, not
Nizzy Lusch: And if I withdrew money from SL I should pay tax from it. However, if someone decided to tax all internal transactions in SL, it would really suck :o
Bringiton Paine: i worry for them
Saysha Riggles: well this is the info super highway
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy, this is great.
Alessandro Cazenove: It worries me too Bringiton
Ahmad Hosho: it worries me 3

Ahmad Hosho runs the next question: How do you think the Lindens want Second Life to appear to the media? Is SL promoted differently to the public than they intend? How so? Linden Lab also promotes SL as a business op for many.
Saysha Riggles: the show i watched about SL was more busines directed

Nizzy Lusch: Linden Lag wants SL to appear like a gold mine in the media, so the noob counter increases and big companies pour money into Phil's pockets.
Bringiton Paine: i think they just want a forum that appeals to everyone, , somethingfor everyone, whether they want to be involved in business or for sosical reasons. and i think they have acheived that
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, I think a bit different. the main goal seems to be to define the future of virtual worlds, because the company that defines big parts of that will be the company to base business on _that_ knowledge
Barney Boomslang: I don't think that the current thing LL does is allready the real businesmodell for LL
Barney Boomslang: I thinik there is a plan for the time _after_ the virtual worlds are better defined
Ahmad Hosho: i think lindens lab didnt promote SL as a business box at first, but i noticed it started to change from when that lady made 1 millions english pounds as i guess?
Nizzy Lusch: Yes, it would seem so, atleast that's what Cory wanted. But Philip seems to be after the gold, to me
Bringiton Paine: there are people in here who are so business savvy,, who irl, just cant get a break, cant turn anything to gold. its actually can be quite character building and build up real confidence to go forth in the RL and make things happen
Barney Boomslang: if they would allready do what they think is what they do for years, they would take much more care of what is there. But the way they act - the massive expansion, the many changes, the tons of new tech - that points to some different goal
Nizzy Lusch: No the change happened when Cory got fired
Alessandro Cazenove: I think they focus on the business side as they don't want to say too much about the other pillar of SL
Nizzy Lusch: From what I heard he was the idealist
You: someone made 1 mil pounds?
Saysha Riggles: yes i heard that ppl are banking in here too
florenze Kerensky: 1mil US i beleive, anche chung
Bringiton Paine: yah but i think its the other side that gets acocunts happening
Ahmad Hosho: lab: yes.
Ahmad Hosho: i am not sure about the number.
Bringiton Paine: the possibility of business and profit, just brings more rev to sl
florenze Kerensky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshe_Chung
Nizzy Lusch: and after he got fired they opened up for the resident counter to increase so they could attract big investors into SL
Saysha Riggles: she has ppl working for her in SL
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, the opening up was long before cory left LL
Alessandro Cazenove: I agree Bringiton, I notice people at this kind of event tend not to be new
Nizzy Lusch: But he wanted it closed and got fired
Barney Boomslang: the decision of open registration was something he was arguing for, too - and that was what pulled up the numbers
florenze Kerensky: i bought my first parcel from her personally back in the day... just when she was starting in land business
Nizzy Lusch: That's different from what I heard
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, I was in one office hour where he himself argued for open registration. so either he lied to us then, or he was on the same track as the other lindens :)
Ahmad Hosho: well, if SL doesn't promote for itself as a business online box. why all this business is coming, and most of them build ugly buildings. and again if they doesn't mean to promote it that way, how do they want sl to look for public?
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I guess that's something we can only speculate on. the only definite answer might be coming from LL - but I guess they might not even have the answer themselves
Ahmad Hosho: i dont know if lindens made any cultral exchange event or something, as an example.
Saysha Riggles: do the classes here help ppl with shyness
Nizzy Lusch: I think LL have tried whatever they could to attract investors. They need money to develope
Alessandro Cazenove: Shyness in RL or SL Saysha?
Saysha Riggles: SL
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: oh, they have some millionairs putting money in, so I guess they are covered for a while. and they have a black zero now on their account.
Bringiton Paine: has anyone thught what itll be like in 10 yrs time in sl? all this technology that amazes us now will be prehistoric and laughable lol
Nizzy Lusch: I don't think they care to promote SL as a social and creative hangout, because there's no money in that
Saysha Riggles: ok
You: but they may make it hard for people who just want to meet people
Sidda Leigh: there are no classes to my knowledge about helping new peoplde with shyness....in NCI or in the mentor group...however.....sometimes people in SL are shy to speak of what they learn of other cultures here in SL to people in RL becuse of people in RL perception of SL
Saysha Riggles: why?
You: all these big companies
You: if they tax I mean
Ahmad Hosho: yes i think virtual world is our online future any way .. but not sure if it will SL or another model.
Alessandro Cazenove: I find I'm a lot bolder in here than RL
Bringiton Paine: no nizzy but iit gets accoutns in, and people spend money in the big businesses on their avs, for clubbing, plus after theyre sick of the club , they turn to look for ways to invest in sl , so every account holder is potentially an investtor here
Saysha Riggles: i can buy SL & RL clothes in here?
Ahmad Hosho: Alessandro: i have read an article about that point, people be more bolder online, than them in RL. but that applies in all types of online communication.
Marni Sands: Saysha - just SL clothes
Alessandro Cazenove: I think anonymity plays a part...
Saysha Riggles: on the tv show they said it will be possible to buy RL clothes too
Sidda Leigh: ye agreed aless
Ahmad Hosho: saysha: giorgio armani as an example is doing this some way. he let u buy his suit, and the vendor gives u a link to the place to buy the suit from his site online.
Nizzy Lusch: lol, to me its more like opposite I think
Bringiton Paine: thats because irl, people mute us with their judgements i think. what is and isnt acceptable is different
Ahmad Hosho: thing Giorgio armani shows his suit for 300L as it is for 300 euro in RL lol
Saysha Riggles: LOL
Nizzy Lusch: But that's not made from pixel
Ahmad Hosho: he needs to learn more about what L can buy in a virtual world, in my opinion ;)
Ahmad Hosho: lol nizzy, right

Ahmad Hosho runs the topic: However, the rich cultural environment is also a large part of SL. Do you feel this is ignored? On the other hand, many may interpret SL as a sexual environment only. How is this inaccurate?
Saysha Riggles: i have not ventued into that realm yet, just a bit of sexy chat to tease
Sidda Leigh: i do not interpret it as a sexual enviroment...i see it as cultural rich and have learned a great deal about my self as an american and how we are viewed in the world
Sidda Leigh: i love that about SL
Barney Boomslang: media will allways focus on what brings the m ost eyeballs, so of course they will focus on something juicy or something money.
Nizzy Lusch: Wasn't it the same with the interwebs? People thought it could only be used to surf pornography
Ahmad Hosho: this never told here, but i know many people feel not comfortable when some friends tell them in RL that SL is a big sex place.
Bringiton Paine: in rl i lack social skills, if i was having a discussion like this with yu people in rl i would be cowering in a corner and keeping my opinions to myself, i couldnt make eye contact . it is like a disease, sl gives me freedom
Barney Boomslang: cultural rich environments - I don't think you will get many eyeballs with that unless maybe in publications like Nature or GEO or Scientific American ;)
Saysha Riggles: sex is great but SL has much more to offer
Bringiton Paine: sex sells, someone out there gettin rich from them little blue and pink balls, its an investment like anything else
Saysha Riggles: wow
Nizzy Lusch: Oh I think text chat is like a filter for me. Once i have to type things, I can stop myself in the process, while in RL I sometimes start talking and then it's too late to stop >_>
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Nizzy
Barney Boomslang: well, I wouldn't see it all negative - people have sex in RL, so of course they will have virtual sex in SL. but the focus sometimes on sex-only is quite weird.
Bringiton Paine: its opposite for me, i press enter way b4 i think about what ive sayd lol
florenze Kerensky: nizzy, i find the reverser... i talk much more in world then in RL
Ahmad Hosho: virtual sex reminds me of demolishion man. if any one knows the movie, remember when he tried to date her?
Barney Boomslang: it _is_ a bit based on what people get exposed to first in this world, though. It# snot all just the media, it's a bit what we present to the world about SL, too.
You: ur right nizzy. thats why i hate phones lol
Marni Sands: lol - I type slow enough to rarely put my foot in mouth - so to speak
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe that's the most usual. In SL I can be quite a hermit sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: lab: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad - I don't know the reference you made
Ahmad Hosho: dont forget, houses in SL are very comfy
Messalina Messerchmitt: Ive got Voice, but I hate using it
Messalina Messerchmitt: I'd rather type
Nizzy Lusch: hehe, never more comfy than your own apartment
Bringiton Paine: i love houses in sl, no kids hand prints on the walls, or crayons, or vaccuming, or scrubbing the showers, they always stay clean lol
Bibi Book: It is what we present, too, but where do people go first? surely not here...
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: well, it is about someone traveled to future, and asked for a date from another lady. but when they were dating, she just decided to make the relation in a virtual world, with sensors. and he was like " WTH "
Alessandro Cazenove: I find that even with virtual sex, real emotions tend to arise.
Bringiton Paine: i never dabbled enough in virtual sex to experience that
Ahmad Hosho: marni: she said it is crazy at her time to make a natural relation, and spoke about how human was in danger because of that telling about viruses like AIDS and such.
Ahmad Hosho: the movie is " demolishion man "
Saysha Riggles: the fact that kids are in here prohibits me from doing cyber avatar sex
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: of course. it's still a real human on the other side of the keyboard ;)
Marni Sands: so, that is how SL sex is like the movie? because it is not physical?
Nizzy Lusch: To me virtual sex is kinda like virtual food. Might wet your appetite but it never fills the spot >_>
You: yeah, thats a eeire thought
Saysha Riggles: LOL
Bringiton Paine: i know some people have different accounts for diffrent uses
Barney Boomslang: nizzy: and still you can see people in here with glasses of drink or plates of food ;)
Ahmad Hosho: i have 2
Bringiton Paine: one to build, one to shag, one to meet friends, one to have a shop etc
Nizzy Lusch: Yes lol
Messalina Messerchmitt: lol
Bringiton Paine: i find that weird
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe they're bulding up an appetite for dinner
Ahmad Hosho: well my alt is not for communcation .. it is for building and work puproses.
Labproject3 Spitteler holds up her sl soda.
You: yep. ;)
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Barney Boomslang: nizzy: well, think about it that way: we are discussing topics and we sit at a table. we could stand around or float or whatnot - but we decide to all sit orderly at a table :)
Nizzy Lusch finds a cup of soup
Ahmad Hosho: Marni: i think it is different from person to person. i speak more about if it is natural, or dangrouse, or what
Bringiton Paine: my friend just camps an av overnight, makes like $300L a day withit lol
Alessandro Cazenove: bottoms up LP3
Barney Boomslang: I think people even in here are still based a lot in what they see as "normal"
Saysha Riggles: do you think th Lindens will create something like in the movie "Strange World"?
Saysha Riggles: with Angela Basset
Ahmad Hosho now thinks, hmmm.. an alt for camps makes 300L per day. that makes sense.
Marni Sands: oh - lol - just saw teh bird with a halo :)
Bringiton Paine: well in here, if someone walked past me with no clothes on i wouldnt look twice, if a alien floats past me i wouldnt look twice, if i see a car up a gum tree i wouldnt look twice
Sidda Leigh: I would like to ask a question of you all
Sidda Leigh: do u tell people in RL that you go to SL?
Bibi Book: yes, but campers are lag and others have the damage
You: lol
Nizzy Lusch: 300L is less than what you spend in electricity to keep that alt camping...
Bringiton Paine: irl, im not desensatised to it lol
Barney Boomslang: bringiton: and if an alien sits at a table with you and discusses SL? ;)
Bibi Book: Nizzy: good argument
Ahmad Hosho: i spend that any way nizzy
Bringiton Paine: :P~
Bringiton Paine: lol barney i dont look twice
Alessandro Cazenove: I don't Sidda
Sidda Leigh: i dont either
Marni Sands: I don't
Messalina Messerchmitt: I dont either
Sidda Leigh: why do we not?
You: i almost always have something on, my elect bill sucks. lol
Bringiton Paine: because it is usual here i guess
Sidda Leigh: for me....no one understands it unless they are on and i dont think i can explain
Marni Sands: keeps it more in fantasy that no one RL knows you
Messalina Messerchmitt: Because people who aer not here have preconceived ideas of what it is about
Nizzy Lusch: I think that's the real beauty of SL. You can sit at a cafe with an alien and not think twice about it
Bringiton Paine: because we allow people to express themselfs
Barney Boomslang: sidda: depends. with internet-savy friends, I might, with family, usually not.
Bringiton Paine: however they see fit
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: and we accept peoples diffrences here
Sidda Leigh: my son knows of course he sees me and i have taught him things i have learned here
Messalina Messerchmitt: and most of us observe rl codes of etiquette
Saysha Riggles: so is that we are more shy about SL in RL?
Ahmad Hosho: Messalina: very true.
Sidda Leigh: for example...ahmad and i have become friends....my son and i have learned a lot about his culture and i like to think i have taught him things too
Alessandro Cazenove: I wanted a Second Life, a different one.
Ahmad Hosho: i am a bad example for my cultre any way. lol but when they know more about sl, i am sure better people will tell u more.
Sidda Leigh: and....suddenly I am very knowledgable about his country...and can speak of it and him with affection and enthusiasm...my frriends are....how do u know this????
Bringiton Paine: i used to chat in text chatrooms, i seen sl on tv feature and i thought, wow thats cool, and came to check it out, that was almost a year ago and i have been on almost daily lol
Nizzy Lusch: I think SL lets me do what I'd do if I was rich and excentric
Nizzy Lusch: Like living in a big temple
Sidda Leigh: and i say oh i have been reading i do not say because of my virtual friend ahmad in sl
Ahmad Hosho: good point nizzy
You: i learn alot about people i wouldnt speak to in rl. its nice
You: like ahmad ie
Sidda Leigh: or my virtual friend in germany...or my virtual friend in australia
Saysha Riggles: hehe
Ahmad Hosho: well i think many friends in my RL knows bibi book, and barney
Bringiton Paine: people i think in sl talk more about each other to each other, then yu do with rl friends
Sidda Leigh: i just say i have read
You: or germany
Barney Boomslang: sidda: well, but ahmad is not your virtual friend in sl, but your friend in virtual sl :)
Sidda Leigh: :) barney
Bringiton Paine: rl friends , they arent so eager to share themselfs with yu . well in my case anyways
Ahmad Hosho: i have been surprised a friend was asking, and how is lady book? i was like: huh, lady book who? he said well ur SL mentor.
Nizzy Lusch: Oh? Ahmad told me when I first met him, that he only existed in SL
Ahmad Hosho: a friend in RL *
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy, leave my art talk now lol
Bringiton Paine: lol
Nizzy Lusch: haha
Ahmad Hosho: that was surreal
Nizzy Lusch: Yes, you are surreal Ahmad
Sidda Leigh: sl is wonderful for me because in RL i never meet a stranger and i have loved SL for the many people I have met from all over the world...i hhave had 3 people from SL vivist me....one from germany...and a polish friend is coming this summer
Alessandro Cazenove: I worry I will start to behave like SL in RL. Introducing myslef to total strangers and flirting with them.
Ahmad Hosho: nizzy ok ok lol
Saysha Riggles: i heard ppl form unions in here?
Ahmad Hosho tells the next topic: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them? Is it just a game to you? Why do you feel people have the inclination to define SL in their profiles as a game? Does RL define SL for us? How can we define SL for the public?
You: lol
Marni Sands: Ahmad is an enigma then - you say? :)
Sidda Leigh: also so friends from buffalo NY....and I will be meeting another in 2 weeks in NYC...all new friends from SL
Nizzy Lusch: haha, I never do that in SL
Barney Boomslang: alessandro: no worries, the slaps will bring you back to earth quite quick ;)
Ahmad Hosho: lol mani.
Sidda Leigh: RL define SL for me....hmmm...yes i think it must in some ways in others no
Bringiton Paine: in sl, i spokje daily and danced daily at a club with a man, that i didnt realise, i knew in RL lol, after 3mths we put 2 and 2 together and realise we knew each other
Barney Boomslang: in RL, nobody has to ask you to accept to be slapped ;)
Alessandro Cazenove: You know Barney, I'm not so sure that's the way it would go!
Bringiton Paine: we spent 30 mins tryin to remember if we had done or sayd anything incriminating
You: hehe barney
Bringiton Paine: yu know what i love
Barney Boomslang: dan. rl. not even a permision dialog needed to grab your money.
Marni Sands: I spoke to a man once who had fallen inlove with a girl here in SL - they met inRL adn was disaster
Sidda Leigh: well for me....sl has given me the chance to feel affection and enthusiam for countries and people I never would have met.....
Alessandro Cazenove: lol Bringiton
Sidda Leigh: i love that part of it and feel is it valuable
florenze Kerensky: tc all
Ahmad Hosho helps to run the topic, just in case: Why do most people in the first life tab say that Second Life is a game to them?
Bringiton Paine: the freedom of speech, in sl, yu can say what ya mean, in RL yu tend to say what yu think they wanna hear.
Bringiton Paine: and people appreciate it in sl, that yu say what yu mean, irl, they will hold it against yu forever lol
Bibi Book: Ahmad: building is game and roleplay, too
Ahmad Hosho: bibi: ic
Marni Sands: Ahmad that is an impossible question to answer - how do we "know" anybody's motivation?
You: makes sense
Ahmad Hosho tells note: http://hosho.blogspace.com has our paste meeting chat, it will also has our current conversation, u can comment there.
Sidda Leigh: for some it is a game for others it is aplay ground
Barney Boomslang: but ahmad is right, it is quite interesting how many try to put up a "it's just a game" wall in their profile.
Sidda Leigh: it is a playground for me
Sidda Leigh: yes barney
Bringiton Paine: i think people can also be faster to incite drama in sl , then in rl
Barney Boomslang: I of course am not playing. I am all serious. all the time. I am a totally serious tiny alien.
Messalina Messerchmitt: But for some sl is deadly serious
Sidda Leigh: i think by that some may mean they dont want to discuss their rl in sl?
Ahmad Hosho tells more: we have there a vote held for about 2 weeks. is SL a game or not a game. 82% said it is not a game
Sidda Leigh: lol yes mess too serious
Sidda Leigh: interesting ahmad
Bringiton Paine: i dont consider it a game
Messalina Messerchmitt: Some people seem to almost leave rl behind
Bringiton Paine: my husband refers to it as a game, " playing" sl
Nizzy Lusch: lol Barney
You: i say playing, but dont think of as a game
Bringiton Paine: but yu dont make friends in a game
Marni Sands: Ahmad - that is because you are attracting to the comments there people who are more apt to say it is not a game - the game-pl;ayers can't be bothered with surveys
Sidda Leigh: lol marni yes prob so true
You: she has a point
Ahmad Hosho: marni: yes but we just make some action lol
Bringiton Paine: i would say its only a game to people who are griefers lol they come to stir havoc for fun
Sidda Leigh: and a game for roleplayers
Barney Boomslang: oh, I think it's allwasy both. I mean, seriously: me running around in silly avatars, of course that is playing. me banging on prims to build silly stuff - of course that is playing.
Nizzy Lusch: Maybe people put in "SL is just a game to me" in order to feel less restricted themselves. Often what people write about themselves is directed at themselves
Ahmad Hosho: ic
Barney Boomslang: me chatting with people about things? well, that's not playing.
Bringiton Paine: yeah i guess, getting into character for rp, they can get very emmersed though and it become a reality , their character becomes real
Sidda Leigh: agreed barney...
Nizzy Lusch: In fact, in many cases you can apply "I wish I was: " in front of a profile
Bringiton Paine: but then i suppose so does super mari to a 7 yr old lol
Barney Boomslang: sure, some people work in here and make a living by banging on prims to make stuff - but still, even they tend to have a playful part often enough.

Ahmad Hosho runs a topic: Why do you think most avatars look Western?
You: cause we're pretty? lol
Barney Boomslang looks at himself and can't see anything wester ;)
Sidda Leigh: because ahmad that is what most vendors sell?
Bringiton Paine: becasue eatern people are so beautiful its difficult to make such a nice skin lol
Sidda Leigh: hehe bring
Marni Sands: "wester" Barney?
Sidda Leigh: yes
Ahmad Hosho: what about south / middle / and north africans skins
Ahmad Hosho: north asians. south asians, arabic gulf. and far east from asia skins
Marni Sands got lost
Messalina Messerchmitt: you rarely see them
Bringiton Paine: mmm show me where to get one! lol
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: I guess it's a bit of a "someone has to make them" question.
Ahmad Hosho: they are different shapes and colors
Nizzy Lusch: Blame Hollywood?
You: asian ones i see sometimes
Ahmad Hosho: it is not a blame, it is a why
Sidda Leigh: yes most vendors sell western style skins
Bringiton Paine: i see plenty of arfrican men here
Sidda Leigh: why would that be
Bringiton Paine: (hubba hubba)
Ahmad Hosho: barney: good point too ;)
Sidda Leigh: and another question why do people who are not western use them or make them
Barney Boomslang: ahmad: the skin business is quite lucrative, I heard, don't you want to make some? ;)
Ahmad Hosho: but dont u think it looks interesting, still
Ahmad Hosho: well barney, i would like too, but i am not sure how to market it
Ahmad Hosho: ;)
Bringiton Paine: i had an asian skin in my inv, but it so not done nice, it didnt flatter the asian look at all so i never used it

Ahmad Hosho runs a topic: Is virtual information accurate? That is, do you feel many things you see in SL are as they are in RL?
Sidda Leigh: no ahmad it is idealic here
Bibi Book: there are, thouhg less realistic: houses often look in RL - even those one surely cannot live in
Sidda Leigh: ah ok niz
Barney Boomslang: SL defintily isn't realistic, rarely even near realism. even the good builds have to make compromises to the tech.
Nizzy Lusch: I rather think Linden Lag didn't know what a meter is, because if you make your avatar realistic size it often looks stumped
Messalina Messerchmitt: *careful
Bibi Book: avatar sizes are in % most let them 100 %